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Old 11-14-2012, 08:19 AM   #1
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RTN Online?

According to their website, later this month, RTN is starting an online version of their tv subscription that is currently available on dish network.

Here is the kicker, the online version of the track feeds will only be available, for a $25 monthly fee, to those who already have the dish network and subscribe to the tv version. If you cannot get dish network for whatever reason, you are SOL. Race replays only, for $15 a month, is all they are offering to those that do not have the tv service.

Thank goodness I already have track feeds through TwinSpires. For those that live in a state that does not have access to track feeds, unfortunately, RTN will be of little help to you.

IMO, a missed opportunity to provide quality online feeds to the general public for a price.

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Old 11-14-2012, 09:53 AM   #2
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Jim,

My best guess is that Dish has an exclusive with them.

My next best guess is that this is a way to get a web-based infrastructure in place before Dish pulls the pin on them.


Hope I am wrong because I am thrilled to pay my $110 per month (service + equipment) to have RTN.


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Old 11-15-2012, 09:06 PM   #3
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Jim,

My next best guess is that this is a way to get a web-based infrastructure in place before Dish pulls the pin on them.

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If this happens what will racetracks/simulcast locations use to provide signals for customers ?
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:53 PM   #4
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Perhaps the same as before: a custom system from RTN.

All I know is that if Dish isn't making money, they aren't likely to keep it going because the industry needs it.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:05 AM   #5
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Dish is making plenty and won't be going anywhere. When you can provide inferior service at a high price, that is a win.
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I meant making money from THIS deal. Space on satellites (as I understand) is at a premium.
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:23 AM   #7
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I think the satellite money is why dish is involved. Roberts moved all signals to dish a few months ago. In your home it is an ok value. But now the tracks are all receiving the same time delayed feed you get at your home. You could get a bunch of decoders and watch every track at your home , at the same time, for in the hundreds of dollars. Every track and simulcast location in the country is paying thousands a month for the same time delayed inferior feed you get at home for a fraction of the cost. They used to pay thousands a month because the feed was delivered in, as close to real time as possible ,c-band feeds to the simulcast outlets. Imagine one person at every simulcast window in America being shut out because of the delay. How much is that in handle at the end of the year ? Roberts lowered his cost and is making out great .Tracks and bettors, not so much.
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Old 11-16-2012, 02:10 PM   #8
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I think the satellite money is why dish is involved. Roberts moved all signals to dish a few months ago. In your home it is an ok value. But now the tracks are all receiving the same time delayed feed you get at your home. You could get a bunch of decoders and watch every track at your home , at the same time, for in the hundreds of dollars. Every track and simulcast location in the country is paying thousands a month for the same time delayed inferior feed you get at home for a fraction of the cost. They used to pay thousands a month because the feed was delivered in, as close to real time as possible ,c-band feeds to the simulcast outlets. Imagine one person at every simulcast window in America being shut out because of the delay. How much is that in handle at the end of the year ? Roberts lowered his cost and is making out great .Tracks and bettors, not so much.


That's why 90% of my bets are on live racing only.......
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:36 PM   #9
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Jim,

My best guess is that Dish has an exclusive with them.

My next best guess is that this is a way to get a web-based infrastructure in place before Dish pulls the pin on them.


Hope I am wrong because I am thrilled to pay my $110 per month (service + equipment) to have RTN.


Dave

The way I read this is the on line version of RTN is available for $25 per month. However, the customer must be a RTN tv version subscriber.
One can subscribe to the tv version even if they don't want the satellite system. Basically the on line version is $75 per month of one wishes the live feeds on their computer.
I may be going over to Directv. I was waiting for the RTN on line version to hit the market. My hope is that it was a standalone sort of like the MLB.TV service. Such is not the case.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:48 PM   #10
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I meant making money from THIS deal. Space on satellites (as I understand) is at a premium.

Correct. Dish is interested primarily in the bandwidth and the transponders.
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I think the satellite money is why dish is involved. Roberts moved all signals to dish a few months ago. In your home it is an ok value. But now the tracks are all receiving the same time delayed feed you get at your home. You could get a bunch of decoders and watch every track at your home , at the same time, for in the hundreds of dollars. Every track and simulcast location in the country is paying thousands a month for the same time delayed inferior feed you get at home for a fraction of the cost. They used to pay thousands a month because the feed was delivered in, as close to real time as possible ,c-band feeds to the simulcast outlets. Imagine one person at every simulcast window in America being shut out because of the delay. How much is that in handle at the end of the year ? Roberts lowered his cost and is making out great .Tracks and bettors, not so much.

Ummm , the delay is at best a few seconds. And most of that is due to the longer trip the signal must make to get to the viewer.
BTW, C-Band services are almost non existent for consumer use. Most are commercial applications. Such as delivering raw feed to TV stations for editing and yes, for the simulcasting signals from horse tracks. However, the feeds seen at some shops are from Dish because it is just easier and more cost effective to install small dish antennae at say an OTB or other simulacast shop rather then several 5 to 10 foot C-Band antennae.
I understand the need for some bettors to be able to "press the send button" at the last nanno second. I have a solution. Bet 5 seconds earlier. Or bet before the last horse is loaded.
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All tracks and simulcast are all served by dish now. Roberts now makes a higher profit. How many millions in national handle decline is ok because of this? That is the only question.
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Ummm , the delay is at best a few seconds. And most of that is due to the longer trip the signal must make to get to the viewer.
BTW, C-Band services are almost non existent for consumer use. Most are commercial applications. Such as delivering raw feed to TV stations for editing and yes, for the simulcasting signals from horse tracks. However, the feeds seen at some shops are from Dish because it is just easier and more cost effective to install small dish antennae at say an OTB or other simulacast shop rather then several 5 to 10 foot C-Band antennae.
I understand the need for some bettors to be able to "press the send button" at the last nanno second. I have a solution. Bet 5 seconds earlier. Or bet before the last horse is loaded.


5 seconds gives plenty of time for a person betting live at the track to modify/cancel bets if a horse acts up unfavorably at the gate or if a standardbred goes off stride steps before the start. When delay was only 2 seconds before (C-Band signal) the advantage wasn't as dramatic. Since the change to DN I have witnessed endless number of frustrated people getting shut out. Many I know now don't even bother to try to bet anymore if horses are loading into the gate. I once sat near a couple of young people new to the game that smashed a monitor in frustration after getting shut out and quickly exited to the slots before commenting on how stupid people are to be subjected to this unnecessary delay.....
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:03 PM   #14
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Most of the higher ups responsible for making important decisions probably never make a bet and are clueless. In their eyes people who bet horses are all stupid degenerate gamblers who wouldn't notice the difference. If they get shut out one race they will just bet another one until they go home empty.....
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All tracks and simulcast are all served by dish now. Roberts now makes a higher profit. How many millions in national handle decline is ok because of this? That is the only question.

That does not appear to be a question. It appears you are convinced that a 3-4 second delay is the cause of millions of dollars in lost handle.
I'd like to know how it is you reached this conclusion. Clearly professional bettors are some pretty smart people. Do you not believe they have figured out a work around?
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