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06-20-2011, 05:19 PM
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WOW! Hard to believe
Not sure what to think of this... except that it seems like a terrible idea...
Cedar Rapids, Iowa govenment wants all commercial businesses to put keys in lock box so emergency responders can have access. Yeah -- like that won't be abused.
[yt="Cedar Rapids"]lgfo52ucgjU[/yt]
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 06-20-2011 at 10:49 PM.
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06-20-2011, 05:22 PM
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The YOUTUBE Links don't work
The YOUTUBE Links don't work
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06-20-2011, 05:34 PM
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The youtube link works
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06-20-2011, 09:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by swetyejohn
Not sure what to think of this... except that it seems like a terrible idea...
Cedar Rapids, Iowa govenment wants all commercial businesses to put keys in lock box so emergency responders can have access. Yeah -- like that won't be abused.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgfo5...&feature=share
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This has been going on for 30 years. Never any real problem.
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06-21-2011, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
This has been going on for 30 years. Never any real problem.
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Really? This is the first time I've ever heard of a local government passing legislation telling owners of businesses they have to give them keys to their offices.
How long before a local government passes a law saying residents have to give emergency responders a key to their houses?
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06-21-2011, 03:01 PM
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What's that old saying by Ben Franklin or one of the other founding fathers?...
Something like:
"Those who would give up freedom for security, deserve neither."
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06-21-2011, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
This has been going on for 30 years. Never any real problem.
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The way I look at it, if I owned a business and there was a problem inside, would I rather the police or fire department use a key or an ax to get inside.
BTW many apartment buildings have the same type of lockbox which the Post Office uses to get inside the building.
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06-21-2011, 04:33 PM
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Back in the early 80's I was a police officer in California. Before you could install a burglar alarm you had to sign a form that you had installed your lock box for the Fire Department. The permit for your alarm (15 bucks a year if my memory serves me) covered the Fire Inspector coming out and checking on the "knock box" we called them. The Fire guy would drive by, make sure the box was up to code/ordnance and sign off so you could get your alarm permit. This was on businesses only.
If you didn't have an alarm permit and your alarm went off you got a ticket for 45 bucks. If you had an alarm and a knock box, the alarm goes off and you got 4 freebies before you got a ticket. On the 4th alarm the cops might hit the "knock box" to enter the building. Then you got your ticket and you had to put a new door on your lock box. It was actually a fire code requirement. I saw many knock boxes get used to enter a building instead of a fireman whacking a window or door with axes. See link:
http://www.knoxbox.com/store/Knox-Box-3200-Series.cfm
[YT="Knock? Knox? "]NTZwanibcxE[/YT]
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06-21-2011, 05:57 PM
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Maybe Iowa is just 30 years behind the times? That wouldn't be too surprising.
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06-21-2011, 06:58 PM
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My apt building has a door code to get in. The fire dept has the code, I know because I have had a medical emergency and they got in. The USPS has it too. So does Fedex and UPS. The Cops probably have it too. I don't care as long as the winos don't. I don't like finding someone sleeping in the hall way.
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06-21-2011, 10:58 PM
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Knox Box
I have been a Supt on all sorts of projects from malls to major stores. We have always installed Knox boxes to the facility and the individual stores. This is done on the final walk through with the city/county and fire. To get the C.O (certificate of occupancy) for the business to open...Chrisl
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06-22-2011, 12:21 AM
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OK. So if this is so common then why are the citizens of Cedar Rapids, Iowa so upset?
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06-22-2011, 12:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by swetyejohn
OK. So if this is so common then why are the citizens of Cedar Rapids, Iowa so upset?
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You don't see how many people spoke up to say, "This is a good idea." The video was obviously edited to show only negative comments. There are five people commenting negatively.
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06-22-2011, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by mostpost
You don't see how many people spoke up to say, "This is a good idea." The video was obviously edited to show only negative comments. There are five people commenting negatively.
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On June 13 they had the final reading and passed the ordinance. JR thinks it's OK. Who am I to argue with him.
Above I was wondering how many citizens spoke in favor of the ordinance. I'm thinking not many. They would feel there is no need. Most folks would think this is a good idea, No one with any sense would oppose this. Apparently Cedar Rapids has several people with no sense.
Didn't the lady in red look like the lady that told John McCain that Obama was a Muslim?
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06-22-2011, 01:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by swetyejohn
OK. So if this is so common then why are the citizens of Cedar Rapids, Iowa so upset?
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Privacy. While the box is probably good to gain access for apt buildings and malls, the people in the video expressed concern that it might lead to a key box on their private residence, or business.
That is a real concern. I know people that live in government housing, they have to deal with someone coming into their place when they are not home for all kinds of reasons.
So my answer to the question is: Privacy
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