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04-23-2010, 11:18 PM
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Turning Poker Players Into Horseplayers
Nick Coukos, who runs Ajax downs in Ontario, is a pro poker player. He just won a 15k tourney in Vegas. Anyway, he thinks by putting poker rooms into tracks, more horseplayers will be created.
http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/new...seplayers.html
Sadly, the fact that horse racing has such a high takeout was not mentioned, nor was the fact that there are visible winners at poker in the long run.
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04-23-2010, 11:22 PM
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I saw that earlier this morning and LOL'ed at it.
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04-23-2010, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by InsideThePylons-MW
I saw that earlier this morning and LOL'ed at it.
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Coukos said it is working in the States. Many players look at the TV monitors between hands....
Not sure what is working in the States though. Handle is down everywhere. Is it up at tracks that have poker rooms?
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04-23-2010, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by InsideThePylons-MW
I saw that earlier this morning and LOL'ed at it.
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 Horse players may play poker, the reverse is not true. If there one type of gamblers that you might get to become a horse player, it would be day traders. JMO
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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04-23-2010, 11:35 PM
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Not really. I would love if that was true, but that seems really off.
Last edited by tzipi; 04-23-2010 at 11:42 PM.
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04-23-2010, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
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Poker Rooms at race tracks is a good idea and should be expanded upon. I believe this will be borne out in Florida. Those Thoroughbred tracks will be able to play 24/7 with an unlimited (all in) betting structure by July 1, 2010.
(JMHO)
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04-24-2010, 01:51 AM
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It's not like they don't have the room....
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04-24-2010, 02:17 AM
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Most poker players are degenerate gamblers. I'm sure they'd put some $$ through the windows.
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04-24-2010, 02:21 AM
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Anyone that has been to a track with a poker room, knows this idea will never work. I can only speak to Tampa Bay and Gulfstream, but where there were poker tables, there were few TV's and good luck getting a bet in on a horse race.
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04-24-2010, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by badcompany
Most poker players are degenerate gamblers. I'm sure they'd put some $$ through the windows.
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Sorry there bad but I have to disagree with this one. Poker players (pros) make a living at their sport just like any other pro. Now the average GAMBLER who plays poker once in a while I can agree with. but then again, the same can be said for MOST people who frequent the track. From what I have seen here...and at the FG, most horse players are gambling and losing.
The difference I tghink is that in poker, you have a bit more control of the game. Example..."I have cards...I have decisions...and I am not fighting a large takeout"...along with many other reasons. Not too mention, its much easier to blame yourself for poker loses versus...a jockey, a trainer...drugs...cheating....weather...etc etc. I know who to blame if I lose in poker lol. From what I have read here...alot of people arent sure who to blame for their losses.
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04-24-2010, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by newtothegame
Sorry there bad but I have to disagree with this one. Poker players (pros) make a living at their sport just like any other pro. Now the average GAMBLER who plays poker once in a while I can agree with. but then again, the same can be said for MOST people who frequent the track. From what I have seen here...and at the FG, most horse players are gambling and losing.
The difference I tghink is that in poker, you have a bit more control of the game. Example..."I have cards...I have decisions...and I am not fighting a large takeout"...along with many other reasons. Not too mention, its much easier to blame yourself for poker loses versus...a jockey, a trainer...drugs...cheating....weather...etc etc. I know who to blame if I lose in poker lol. From what I have read here...alot of people arent sure who to blame for their losses.
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Me thinks if you do a little math on the rake in poker...lower limits of course...it's not much different than the take out at the track. Even worse if you throw the dealer a white or two after every win.
I could be wrong. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to let me know. 
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04-24-2010, 09:37 AM
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A poker room would draw me back to the track.
But I wouldn't be wasting time on the ponies.
Poker - Horses....no contest.
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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04-24-2010, 09:53 AM
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having worked in both poker rooms and horse tracks, i can tell you there is certainly some cross over. there was always guys sitting in the 4/8 games with racing forms in their hand, but they are always 40 or 50+ years old. Guys who got into the sport young and went to the track with their old man.
People will never become interested in the sport from OTB's or betting online. just isn't going to happen. i've always said, the only way to CREATE new players is to get them to the races, and get them there when they are young.
i'd say atleast 80% of the people i talk to at the track, otb's or on these boards who are regular horse players, got into the game by going to the track with their dads, or relatives or got into it when they were young.
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04-24-2010, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
A poker room would draw me back to the track.
But I wouldn't be wasting time on the ponies.
Poker - Horses....no contest.
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Maybe in the basement under the dripping pipes. But the best inside information you can get is who owes Davila money from poker, Then he blocks and Davila races.
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04-24-2010, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by newtothegame
Sorry there bad but I have to disagree with this one. Poker players (pros) make a living at their sport just like any other pro. Now the average GAMBLER who plays poker once in a while I can agree with. but then again, the same can be said for MOST people who frequent the track. From what I have seen here...and at the FG, most horse players are gambling and losing.
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IMO, television paints a phony picture of poker. Namely, it makes it seem as though everyone who has a winning year or two is a pro. In reality, 90+% of poker players lose, and most of the guys who go out to Vegas to be pros end up coming home broke. In addition, you'll hear the announcers talk about how many tournament cashes a player has, but that doesn't tell you whether a player is a winner or not. If a horseplayer cashed 100K in winning tickets in 2009, did he have a winning year? Maybe, maybe not.
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