Sunland handle up 5% year over year

[Foolish Pleasure]

Another dirt track outperforms,

this is not rocket science.


Deny, deny, deny-obvious to the blind man-have dirt succeed,
don't and don't.

[Foolish Pleasure]

I guess they didn't show the Winter Olympics in New Mexico,


while 20,000+ showed up for Hollywoods opener in 2000,
how many came this year?


But lets move the BC to the world's most apathetic sport's town anyway- permanently-
Avioli and his 500dime a year salary neeeds to go.

[therussmeister]

Five or six more years of 5% increases and their handle will almost be big enough to draw some serious players.

[DeanT]

Originally Posted by Foolish Pleasure

Another dirt track outperforms,

this is not rocket science.

Deny, deny, deny-obvious to the blind man-have dirt succeed,
don't and don't.

Resume synthetic/dirt track arguments, but misinformation is not friendly.

An article published this week in one of the industry’s leading publications concluded that tracks with engineered surfaces have experienced an increase in handle—a significant finding in the face of dramatic declines in overall handle throughout the United States last year.

Even though U.S. racing experienced a 9.9 percent decline in handle in 2009, “North American tracks that have switched from dirt tracks to synthetic surfaces reveals these tracks have increased handle 1.28 percent since making the change,” according to an article in the Feb. 20 edition of the Thoroughbred Times by Frank Angst.

The one-page article – titled “Cushion to Recession’s Blow: Tracks with Synthetic Surfaces have Out Performed Others during Tough Times -- includes statistics for both average daily handle and total from each of the engineered tracks, including Keeneland which has experienced a 4.03 percent increase for its fall meets and a 3.57 percent increase for the spring meets in total handle change since making the switch to a engineered surface in 2006.

[InsideThePylons-MW]

Originally Posted by DeanT

Resume synthetic/dirt track arguments, but misinformation is not friendly.

Because all the plastic tracks except for PID I think are non-slot welfare tracks.

Slot tracks intentionally sabotaging dirt racing handle is more effective than polycrap tracks which depend on racing decreasing handle.

[Foolish Pleasure]

North American tracks that have switched from dirt tracks to synthetic surfaces reveals these tracks have increased handle 1.28 percent since making the change,”

This is 100% false.

Are you that dense to not question this despite numerous years of double digit declines in KY and CA?



Beyond now that the idiots are actually inventing shit to support this abortion like situation.

[DeanT]

Because all the plastic tracks except for PID I think are non-slot welfare tracks.

Slot tracks intentionally sabotaging dirt racing handle is more effective than polycrap tracks which depend on racing decreasing handle.

That would be true if the numbers did not say otherwise. Arlington handle off 7.4% last year, Hawthorne off 8.5%. KEE handle changes have mirrored Churchill. Both sets of tracks are non-slots and are in the same jurisdiction.

Field size determines handle changes, not the type of surface.

Misinformation has killed this sport for 100 years; I think it's time we started to change that.

[Foolish Pleasure]

Like what you cited as gospel from Frank Angst of all people?


Sunland vs SA what happened?

OP vs KEE what happened?


and no CD's decline has not mirrored KEE.


Try paying attention-you post shit as gospel that is obviously false.




Deny, deny, deny it is a pathetic joke.



What tracks are doing well in North America? They all have dirt except for WOX.

[DeanT]

2009 Handle at Churchill was down 15%:

By track, total handle (and percent of decline when compared with 2008) fell $117 million (-15%) at Churchill Downs, was down $58.2 million (-7%) at Arlington, and declined by $66.2 million (-13%) at Fair Grounds.

I could say that Arlington being down 7% compared to dirt tracks like FG and CD down much more would mean that people love playing Synthetic, but that would be wrong and disingenous. Frank Angst has looked at them all, so he would know better. He is on the board here, so if you have trouble with his numbers, I am sure you can PM him.

[Foolish Pleasure]

FRom peak to trough Dean.

How about 2007 and 2008 KEE vs CD.

I don't have to look because I know what happened while HANA was naming KEE the number one track in the world, the exodus was quite memorable.



AP vs HAW how about less days at HAW and more at AP,
does that count?


How about just an iota of common sense?
Not one place in the USA with synthetic track is doing well?
Can't possibly get any more obvious than that.

[DeanT]

Originally Posted by Foolish Pleasure

AP vs HAW how about less days at HAW and more at AP,
does that count?

No, % handle is not calculated like that.

Anyhow, nice talking to you.

[Foolish Pleasure]

There is no talking - saying the earth is flat and hiding behind moderating opinion as an excuse.


I am here to help.
At KEE handle went from 9.3 to 7.6


while HANA were naming it the best track in the country.


How does that jive exactly while other tracks like OP have not declined at all?

Does that count as misinformation?



So lets see KEE handle off 20% plus, how is TP doing off 30%-more?
What is Cali handle off 30%? WOX only off 17% thus far.

and yet that not stopping you from copy pasting his crappolla.

How much did they pay FRank to invent shit?

http://www.keeneland.com/Lists/News/...m.aspx?ID=6294

[InsideThePylons-MW]

Originally Posted by DeanT

That would be true if the numbers did not say otherwise.

Dean,

As FP said....let's use some common sense here.

Do you have a set of numbers other than the Angst #'s. If not, I can firsthand tell you Angst is a liar and will write whatever he's told even if he is presented facts that are 100% opposite of what he wrote.

All 4 CA tracks are destroyed handlewise since plastic installation.

Turfway is down.

Let's say KEE and AP are about the same but I don't know.

Does all of PID's handle count as handle gain plastic tracks or does it not count at all?

Now how can plastic tracks be up when the VAST majority of it's handle is destroyed?

[Foolish Pleasure]

including Keeneland which has experienced a 4.03 percent increase for its fall meets and a 3.57 percent increase for the spring meets in total handle change since making the switch to a engineered surface in 2006.

http://www.keeneland.com/Media%20Gui...e-40%20yrs.pdf

spring 2006 which was the last pre poly KEE meet avg handle was 9.5mill
spring 2009 $8mill avg handle


fall 2005=$7.3mill

fall 2009= $7.2million




Sure Frank-talk about misinformation-where are these gains?


IT is a pathetic joke, one guy lies and the other guy pretends.

[InsideThePylons-MW]

Originally Posted by InsideThePylons-MW

Dean,

As FP said....let's use some common sense here.

Do you have a set of numbers other than the Angst #'s. If not, I can firsthand tell you Angst is a liar and will write whatever he's told even if he is presented facts that are 100% opposite of what he wrote.

All 4 CA tracks are destroyed handlewise since plastic installation.

Turfway is down.

Let's say KEE and AP are about the same but I don't know.

Does all of PID's handle count as handle gain plastic tracks or does it not count at all?

Now how can plastic tracks be up when the VAST majority of it's handle is destroyed?

OK.....Now let's go with the premise that all 4 CA tracks are down and Kee is down.

How can plastic tracks be up per Mr. Angst?