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Old 07-28-2009, 02:40 PM   #1
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Vintage DRFs Scanned Online

Just found this, has complete scans of each page of 1000s of DRFs from 1890s to 1980s. I don't know how to simplify the link; I hope it works:

http://kdl.kyvl.org/cgi/t/text/text-...;ALLSELECTED=1

It's wild to see the PPs from the 1910s!
This is amazing; I never knew about this resource.
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Old 07-28-2009, 02:43 PM   #2
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Actually, as I go through it a little deeper, not every issue has every page scanned... The ones from 1910s seem pretty complete, though, so far. A couple from the 1950s only have a few pages of PPs scanned.

Still a cool find.
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Old 07-28-2009, 05:10 PM   #3
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Interesting to see all the sub 100 pound weights from pre-1900, also some weights being shown with half-pounds.

I guess I know what I''ll be doing for the rest of the week.

Thanks for the link.
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Old 07-28-2009, 06:04 PM   #4
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Great site!

Interesting that the first result charts I noticed didnít have trainers (!) in them. Other than that, it doesnít appear that too much has changed in the result charts in over 100 years.

Also interesting that a Form is now 120 times the price it was back then.

http://kdl.kyvl.org/cgi/t/text/pagev...=drf1897010101
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I am shocked by the amazing detail of the time. What an incredible job of printing.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:29 PM   #6
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Check out the June 11, 1973 edition - it's the edition right after Secretariat won the Belmont.
All the articles are there and the official chart - very cool.
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I had to search track takeout in the archives. Here is the one match I found from 1967:
http://kdl.kyvl.org/cgi/t/text/pagev...45;passterms=1

Chances Dim For Summer Racing At South Florida.
The tracks were arguing for a 10-5 split from the 15% track takeout.
They were getting 7%, and the state was getting 8%.

What happened to the days of 15% track takeout? They vanished along with the people in the stands.
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Even better. An article in 1935 on California racing stating that 10% takeout is plenty:

http://kdl.kyvl.org/cgi/t/text/pagev....5;passterms=1
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This is an amazing article from 1953:
http://kdl.kyvl.org/cgi/t/text/pagev....1;passterms=1
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damn how old is C Borel im looking at results from april 1973 evangline race track and borels got a couple of winners
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Cool Stuff, Quartercrack.....nice find....Thanks.....

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I had to search track takeout in the archives. Here is the one match I found from 1967:
http://kdl.kyvl.org/cgi/t/text/pagev...45;passterms=1

Chances Dim For Summer Racing At South Florida.
The tracks were arguing for a 10-5 split from the 15% track takeout.
They were getting 7%, and the state was getting 8%.

What happened to the days of 15% track takeout? They vanished along with the people in the stands.
In Nebraska the take in 60's was 13% with 5% to the state and 8% to the tracks. Now it is 18% and zip to the state.
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Any articles about NYRA getting slots or how bad TVG is?

I see on June 18, 1905, Jebediah Dutrow had a positive and got 5 days.
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Any articles about NYRA getting slots or how bad TVG is?

I see on June 18, 1905, Jebediah Dutrow had a positive and got 5 days.
They didn't test for drugs until 1936 I think. Jeb was splitting lines of cocaine with his runners. Half for him, half for the horse.
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This is an amazing article from 1953:
http://kdl.kyvl.org/cgi/t/text/pagev....1;passterms=1
Holy crap... this doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that anything will ever change at this point...
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