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Old 09-26-2008, 01:22 PM   #1
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Goodbye Mud Calks At Meadowlands

Jockey Club bans front toe grabs and or mud calks for the upcoming Meadowlands meet due to safety issues.

http://www.thebigm.com/racingNewsDetail.asp?newsid=8202
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:13 PM   #2
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Jockey Club bans front toe grabs and or mud calks for the upcoming Meadowlands meet due to safety issues.

http://www.thebigm.com/racingNewsDetail.asp?newsid=8202


i can understand maybe toe grabs but mud calks???
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:19 PM   #3
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It seems a bit foolish to ban these traction devices at a track where early speed is so important. We may have to sit back and watch for awhile to see if the style of running changes.
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:46 PM   #4
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It seems a bit foolish to ban these traction devices at a track where early speed is so important. We may have to sit back and watch for awhile to see if the style of running changes.

someone will redesign a shoe that is similar you can bet the house on that!
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Old 09-26-2008, 08:29 PM   #5
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Hey guys,Dont be so quick to hate the new rules,These things should have been banned ages ago. Take for instance toe grabs...Put your toes on a book and lean back on your foot...Hurts doesnt it!!...Mudcaulks are very dangerous to your own horse and others running in a race,Ive seen nasty tendon rips and holesin the legs due to mud caulks.
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Old 09-26-2008, 08:56 PM   #6
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Hey guys,Dont be so quick to hate the new rules,These things should have been banned ages ago. Take for instance toe grabs...Put your toes on a book and lean back on your foot...Hurts doesnt it!!...Mudcaulks are very dangerous to your own horse and others running in a race,Ive seen nasty tendon rips and holesin the legs due to mud caulks

Thank you…

Indefensible imho.
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Old 09-26-2008, 10:14 PM   #7
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Hey guys,Dont be so quick to hate the new rules,These things should have been banned ages ago. Take for instance toe grabs...Put your toes on a book and lean back on your foot...Hurts doesnt it!!...Mudcaulks are very dangerous to your own horse and others running in a race,Ive seen nasty tendon rips and holesin the legs due to mud caulks.


It's so great listening to the know-it-alls on this web site, like you sir.

You happen to be 100% incorrect about mud-calks. Tomorrow evening I will be posting statistics that PROVE just the opposite.
You see I, unlike the Jockey Club who has a bull shit study, have a 99% accurate and verifiable 9 (NINE) year study at NYRA tracks which PROVES that fewer horses break down wearing mud calks then when plain shod.
Problem is people like you make ridiculous statements claiming you "know" or have "seen", without any data to substantiate this nonsense.
Make sure you check this post tomorrow evening.. just dont try and dispute the (truth) data.
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:21 AM   #8
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A lot of trainers never use them, they ruin there feet they say..

An of course some put them on everything..

Calks will be out in New York at the end of October as well. That will be interesting...
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:54 AM   #9
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A lot of trainers never use them, they ruin there feet they say..

An of course some put them on everything..

Calks will be out in New York at the end of October as well. That will be interesting...


Yeah, a lot of trainers say it messes up feet... guys like Woody Stephens, Mack Miller, Allen Jerkens, Nick Zito, Kiran McLaughlin, Bruce Levine.......??


Give me a break...........

Hard racetracks and poor confirmation breaks horses down... not mud calks, or bends, or toe grabs.
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Old 09-27-2008, 08:36 AM   #10
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It's so great listening to the know-it-alls on this web site, like you sir.

You happen to be 100% incorrect about mud-calks. .

You sound really well versed on this subject and certainly passionate.

I have zero studies to fall back on; but I feel if 1,000 pounds is slamming into me in a corner I wouldn’t want something gripping the surface preventing nature from absorbing the blow.

Same theory as the football player (ala Cadillac Williams) who gets their spikes caught and wrecks their knee. I always though it was the reason a collision sport like hockey had relatively few knee injuries because the skate gives with the blow.

As I said; no hard data to prove anything, just antidotal observations.
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Old 09-27-2008, 09:51 AM   #11
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Is that really true that mud calks will be outlawed in NY

at the end of october???Is there a blog or site that states it.

My friend my end up giving up the game he's all over CALKS!!!!

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Old 09-27-2008, 10:01 AM   #12
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You sound really well versed on this subject and certainly passionate.

I have zero studies to fall back on; but I feel if 1,000 pounds is slamming into me in a corner I wouldn’t want something gripping the surface preventing nature from absorbing the blow.

Same theory as the football player (ala Cadillac Williams) who gets their spikes caught and wrecks their knee. I always though it was the reason a collision sport like hockey had relatively few knee injuries because the skate gives with the blow.

As I said; no hard data to prove anything, just antidotal observations.


Dan,

As I posted earlier.. tonight I will be posting a portion of my study dating back to 2001 which consists of EVERY dirt starter at a NYRA track (over 109,000) in which I personally observed (over 99%) and recorded in a database (I record bit, blinker type, tongue tie and shoe type info on each horse).
You, and others will see how their is NO additional risk and how mud calks are statistically safer (less breakdowns) then plain shod horses.
As far as your cadillac williams ex., why not look at the millions of turns and additional traction baseball players and football players have (which is why they ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL wear them)
Imagine a baseball player rounding third hard and heading for home, when he makes that turn and plants his right foot, without cleats (same as calks) that foot gives way... torn groin, ham string, knee.
This is the same principle I've discussed with trainers like McLaughlin, who personally asked me about them when he started training again.
When an athlete, any athlete, puts it's foot (or hoof ) down, they want ONLY vertical movement (and just a little of that) and NO HORIZONTAL movement. When you start moving horizontally (sliding), thats when the athlete (including the horse) risks injury.
I will also be explaining the REAL reason why they have implemented this change, which is strictly a political move.
Oh, by the way... a 5 yr study conducted on steeplechase races in Saratoga shows that 4.5% of starters get VANNED OFF. You dont van a horse off unless he's hurt. 4.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that's 4.5% vs about 0.4% for flat racing.
Think the "Concerned and caring Jockey Club" will ban steeplechase racing and threaten to "take graded status" from any track that conducts it??
These guys are an extension of the clowns we have in Washington... making and adjusting the rules for their own personal gains.
Tonight I'll tell all!
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Old 09-27-2008, 10:10 AM   #13
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They might be banned at NY, but they will be used. Remember when turn downs were banned and the friggin leading trainer got caught using them (actually, fingered by another trainer in the post parade). His comment was I do what is best for my horse. That was a long time ago, and Ihave never taken NYRA racing seriously since. Other tracks, I have suspiciouns, but NYRA, I am satisfied is crooked.
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Old 09-27-2008, 10:21 AM   #14
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As far as your cadillac williams ex., why not look at the millions of turns and additional traction baseball players and football players have (which is why they ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL wear them)

Wow…

This REALLY hits home with you and I admire your enthusiasm.

Again; I don’t have your statistics, but I respectfully would disagree with your human analogy that cleats increase safety. They enhance power and performance and as someone who has played sports their entire life I’ve seen cleats wreck far more legs then sneakers for example.

Take care and enjoy your weekend with or without toe grabs!
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Old 09-27-2008, 11:02 AM   #15
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Wow…
They enhance power and performance and as someone who has played sports their entire life I’ve seen cleats wreck far more legs then sneakers for example.


How many serious athletes have you seen playing in sneakers on a dirt or grass surface?
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