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08-03-2008, 06:34 PM
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Big Brown doesn't want anything to do with the Big Boys!
Big Brown caught a very weak crop of 3YO's and took care of them but he hasn't moved forward since the Derby and it looked to me like he was all out and lugging out in the lane to win the Haskell.
He doesn't want any part of Curlin and company!
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08-03-2008, 06:35 PM
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tend to agree
I'd still like to see what he can do with a different rider though, just out of curiosity
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08-03-2008, 06:35 PM
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Hey Rich, you weren't one of the ones who said he would never race and/or win again, were you? 
And I agree, he didn't look so hot down the stretch...here's hoping he didn't hurt himself....
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08-03-2008, 06:35 PM
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No he needs his feet to rest, please stay out of Travers and have a nice vacation!!
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08-03-2008, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rrbauer
He doesn't want any part of Curlin and company!
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I have no doubt that Zenyatta would smoke him at this point.
Actually, I think that Deweycheatumnhowe might not be too far back...
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08-03-2008, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ALostTexan
I have no doubt that Zenyatta would smoke him at this point.
Actually, I think that Deweycheatumnhowe might not be too far back...
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Come on man, he went in 1:48 1/5 did he not? That's not exactly slouch time for 9 panels....
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08-03-2008, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Hey Rich, you weren't one of the ones who said he would never race and/or win again, were you?
And I agree, he didn't look so hot down the stretch...here's hoping he didn't hurt himself.... |
Never said that. I was a BB booster from the get-go. Disappointed like everyone else with the Belmont outcome. Used him today, but after seeing the race, I don't think he's classic material.
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08-03-2008, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Come on man, he went in 1:48 1/5 did he not? That's not exactly slouch time for 9 panels....
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Oh, that was a most impressive win. Lugging out the whole way down the lane and just getting up to beat an allowance horse. Where's Curlin?? Bring him on!!!
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08-03-2008, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Come on man, he went in 1:48 1/5 did he not? That's not exactly slouch time for 9 panels....
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in a word: UNDER-WHELMING race
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08-03-2008, 09:43 PM
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I think the fact that he won, in spite of his connections, speaks to his innate class. Desormeaux is an average speed jock and he refuses to let this horse run in front. I'd love to see what he could do when challenged in a duel. And Dutrow worked him like the Haskell was on poly or turf (too many long works). The connections are afraid of seeing Big Brown lose and it's hurting his overall development.
If they go to the Travers, I hope we only see one sharp 4 or 5 furlong drill and a committment from Desormeaux to let the horse run the race. If not, just retire him now.
And I bet against Big Brown today. I am no BB fanboy.
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08-03-2008, 09:49 PM
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I agree. I am no fan of BB merely due to the connections. I am actually starting to feel sorry for the horse. The shots that ESPN showed of the horse being pulled up in the Belmont showed a very peeved horse. It is too bad this horse is in Dutrows barn and owned by a large group of egos.
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08-03-2008, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Onion Monster
I think the fact that he won, in spite of his connections, speaks to his innate class. Desormeaux is an average speed jock and he refuses to let this horse run in front. I'd love to see what he could do when challenged in a duel. And Dutrow worked him like the Haskell was on poly or turf (too many long works). The connections are afraid of seeing Big Brown lose and it's hurting his overall development.
If they go to the Travers, I hope we only see one sharp 4 or 5 furlong drill and a committment from Desormeaux to let the horse run the race. If not, just retire him now.
And I bet against Big Brown today. I am no BB fanboy.
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Well, I am. I say he can take Curlin too. Too bad KD couldn't learn anything while he was winning those 5000.
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08-03-2008, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnielu
Well, I am. I say he can take Curlin too. Too bad KD couldn't learn anything while he was winning those 5000.
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The two are not even close
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08-03-2008, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnielu
Well, I am. I say he can take Curlin too. Too bad KD couldn't learn anything while he was winning those 5000.
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Yes, bring on Curlin. The Big horse just beat an allowance horse. He's ready for Curlin!!!
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08-03-2008, 10:13 PM
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Ridiculous to even compare him or think about facing Curlin at this point...curiously, the two horses have had parallel careers. Both jumped to the fore of their crop with dynamic races in the spring, both competed in all three Classics, and both ran what looks like a "below their best" in the Haskell. It remains to be seen if BB can develop like Curlin did thru his 3yo season.
Interestingly, the connections of both horses have some of the same issues as well: trainers are both known for and suspended for cheating (toss up b/n who has been caught more); and their owners have both been investigated by the authorities (Curlin's owners have the edge here).
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