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Stevie Belmont · 09-14-2006, 09:50 PM

Might skip the big Jersey day Saturday. Connecs considering the Grade I Vosburgh. Man that would be tough. Why not? A decent effort or even better then that would be worth a shot at the BC Sprint if they feel he fits. This horse is in the best form of his life right now.

cj · 09-15-2006, 08:28 AM

This horse was very impressive Haskell day, but he rode what I considered I very strong anti rail bias that day. I'd give him slightly less than zero shot in a race like the Vosburgh.

Stevie Belmont · 09-15-2006, 09:53 AM

That was a big effort on a track that favored the outside all day. His last was impressive as well. Came with a late kick to power by the leader. And that group was not shabby at all. There is no doubt he is in top form. He is a solid sprinter. Winning the Vosburgh is a gigantic task. No doubt. A strong showing however is not out of the realm of possibilty. He was good last year. He is even better this year. It's a mute point if he runs tomorrow, but I would not be shocked if they try the Vosburgh.

point given · 09-15-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Stevie Belmont

That was a big effort on a track that favored the outside all day. His last was impressive as well. Came with a late kick to power by the leader. And that group was not shabby at all. There is no doubt he is in top form. He is a solid sprinter. Winning the Vosburgh is a gigantic task. No doubt. A strong showing however is not out of the realm of possibilty. He was good last year. He is even better this year. It's a mute point if he runs tomorrow, but I would not be shocked if they try the Vosburgh.

Not only was the monmouth track playing to the outside, it was playing to closers, and has been for some time. Its really screwed up my handicapping there. No doubt Cowboy is in good shape, but the Vosburgh ? That's another league and another track , very ambitious thinking .

Doc · 09-15-2006, 11:29 AM

They should stick to ungraded or Gr. 3 races for this nice horse. He would be in way over his head in the Vosburgh. On a similar note, Perkins Jr. got a little ambitious with another J-bred, Joey P., sending him to Calder for the Gr. 2 Smile, and he hasn't rebounded too well - read recently where he needs throat surgery.

Stevie Belmont · 09-15-2006, 02:07 PM

The plans for Joey P all along was to go out of state and try bigger races, hence the trainer change to Perkins from Costa. Ran strong in the Smile before giving way. Throat problems might have been there for awhile. Can't fault connecs for trying better races with a fast horse like him. Hopefully he returns to that former fast form he had.

The Vosburgh is salty race. It's an option. I might have to agree running there might not be the best choice, but the horse is better then people think. The ultimate goal as of now is the Defransis Dash in November. I certainly think he is better then a Grade III horse. At the same time I can see gobbling up the wins against those types, however if you have a horse that could earn some black type, go for it.

o_crunk · 09-15-2006, 09:19 PM

it's ambitious and that's good and all....but that's no chump change for a statebred stakes race. the horse obviously loves monmouth. sounds like a no brainer to me. run him, take the check and put him on a bus to the meadowlands to go take some more money in a couple of weeks.

people were talking about joey p and the breeders cup in the same sentence. joey p is a damn good horse......at monmouth park. sometimes running these j-breds way above their class does some serious damage.

some of these j-breds who have cleared the allowance conditions wait all year to get back in against state competition....and i guess it's nice to give other j-breds a shot (particularly the other half of the entry in this race!), but he's not going to find an easier spot to win a 100k stakes than tomorrow.

Stevie Belmont · 09-16-2006, 04:03 PM

One of the most impressive moves closing moves at 6 panels I Have seen in a long time. This guy is a beast. Three words for you....Breeder's Cup Sprint.

Don't give me any of that who who beat crap either...Showed a new deadly dimension today.

Doc · 09-16-2006, 05:10 PM

Breeders' Cup Sprint? You've got to be joking! Whipping up on J-breds on a speed-favoring surface does not make this horse Grade 1 material. He's not even proven in Grade 2 or 3 competition yet, much less Grade 1. The company a horse keeps is just as important as the time. And sorry, kicking the crap out of Hey Chub and Brucker's Brother doesn't make him the new sprint king. Good thing you don't own this horse, Stevie Belmont, 'cause you'd have run him into the ground a long time ago.

Doc

cj · 09-16-2006, 05:13 PM

Doc,

There aren't many G1 sprints, so plenty of horses aren't proven as sprinters as G1. That said, I still don't think he is better than Joey P.

Doc · 09-16-2006, 05:36 PM

Who's the Cowboy ran once in G1 company, finishing 7th, beaten 10-1/2 lengths, in last year's DeFrancis Dash at Laurel.

Ten of his 11 lifetime wins have come at Monmouth, one came at the Meadowlands. He has never hit the board in a graded stakes, but he has beaten open foes at Monmouth.

I like this horse and his connections, but I think the BC Sprint is a stretch.

Stevie Belmont · 09-16-2006, 08:21 PM

I don't really know how the horses effort is gauged by certain people, but it was visually awe inspiring. Bumped out of the gate. Entry was by design to see if this guy could come from off of it. Horse was out of it early, then uncorked a powerful rally around the bend and went by with ease. Opened up to win by 4 in 1:08.4. Horse just ran a big effort 12 days ago, carried 127 pounds. Fastest time of the meet at 6 furlongs. He made it look easy. This horse is in super form right, no doubt.

That Defrancis Dash last year was his first try in Graded Stakes. He was not as bad as the chart shows. He did not disgrace himself. That was last year. He is so much better this year it's not funny. Has blossomed as a 4 year old. I watched this horse from day one when he ran 2nd to Park Avenue Ball. Rolled next out. I knew at that time PAB was gonna be a good one. I could just see his stride and his manners. The Breeder's Cup Sprint is a huge task, but no doubt after that one today he could give any sprinter a run for thier money. The goal is the Dash again, things could change. What ever they choose, he won't embarass himself. He is rock solid.

Stevie Belmont · 09-16-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc

Breeders' Cup Sprint? You've got to be joking! Whipping up on J-breds on a speed-favoring surface does not make this horse Grade 1 material. He's not even proven in Grade 2 or 3 competition yet, much less Grade 1. The company a horse keeps is just as important as the time. And sorry, kicking the crap out of Hey Chub and Brucker's Brother doesn't make him the new sprint king. Good thing you don't own this horse, Stevie Belmont, 'cause you'd have run him into the ground a long time ago.

Doc

I know more then most owners. And let me tell you this, I know a good horse when I see it.

o_crunk · 09-17-2006, 11:31 AM

Opened up to win by 4 in 1:08.4. Horse just ran a big effort 12 days ago, carried 127 pounds. Fastest time of the meet at 6 furlongs. He made it look easy. This horse is in super form right, no doubt.

could be wrong about this, but didn't Henny Hughes run 108 flat in the Jersey Shore BC?

Who's the Cowboy in the BC Sprint is complete insanity. Get this horse outside the state of NJ and he's at best a fringe G3 contender. Henny Hughes would beat this horse by 20 lengths......even at Monmouth.

Stevie Belmont · 09-17-2006, 02:56 PM

I have seen Henny up close. Iv'e posted on him and displayed a pic of him. Horse is an muscular freak. Any horse that goes against him will have his hands full. Extremely fast.

Often the case in BC Sprints you can see 21 and 43 with t he top speed horses in the world running. Cowboy showed if a scenario developed like that, he could in fact make an impact. Enough of this already.

The Defrancis Dash is the goal as of now, and I think that reasonable. The is some talk of the Vosburgh. They have had a plan, and I think they will stick with it. So everything else is mute at this point. They will do what they think is best.