Ride on Enola Gray

[VigorsTheGrey]

I don't know what to make of the ride given on 1/9 favorite Enola Gray in Del Mar's 8th race on Sunday 11-13 2016....Just totally lackluster performance, boggles the mind...

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

I don't know what to make of the ride given on 1/9 favorite Enola Gray in Del Mar's 8th race on Sunday 11-13 2016....Just totally lackluster performance, boggles the mind...

Once he gave up the advantage in the opening 1/16, he basically said: I dont care about winning on a 1/9 shot.

[VigorsTheGrey]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

Once he gave up the advantage in the opening 1/16, he basically said: I dont care about winning on a 1/9 shot.

The fractions for the 7 furlong event were:

23.17 46.17 1:10.09 Final: 1:22.53 Today

22.40 45.00 1:08.80 Final: 1:21.20 July 22 2016

Compare that to her time on , same track, same distance, above:

You are right...It just did not seem like they wanted to win the race....I don't know, you would think there would be some strategy like trying to get a little more outside so she wouldn't get bogged down in the stretch...but no, nothing...he rode like he never thought he could lose....or just didn't care if he won...maybe the horse just had a bad day...I just don't know...a real puzzle for sure...I wonder what the trainer thinks...

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Horse didn't have it today.

Had the lead, had perfect position. Jockey wasn't choking or holding her back. The came at her at the top of the stretch and she had absolutely no answer. I mean, if she would have fired back at least a little, then maybe you could say she had horse and it was a poor ride, but she had nothing.

Sometimes the dead 1/9 chalk has a bad day. Wasn't the 1st time it has happened, and certainly won't be the last.

I won't be surprised if we find out in the next couple of days that she had some kind of issue that they obviously didn't know about prior to the race.

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

Horse didn't have it today.

Had the lead, had perfect position. Jockey wasn't choking or holding her back. The came at her at the top of the stretch and she had absolutely no answer. I mean, if she would have fired back at least a little, then maybe you could say she had horse and it was a poor ride, but she had nothing.

Sometimes the dead 1/9 chalk has a bad day. Wasn't the 1st time it has happened, and certainly won't be the last.

I won't be surprised if we find out in the next couple of days that she had some kind of issue that they obviously didn't know about prior to the race.

There are sprinters who burst to the lead, rate and rebrake to power home.

There are sprinters who burst to the lead and ration out their speed throughout the race without another burst late and win.

There are sprinters who burst to the lead and then try and speed pop (let it out mid race) and then hope to hold on in the lane.

This 1/9 chalk does not strike me as a stay even and then rebrake/burst home from the 1/4 kind of horse.

This chalk's main advantage was getting a 3 length lead, get the others off the bit and then come home averagely for the win.

By going so slow early, the jock made it a 4 or 5 F sprint to the wire with no head start. He BROUGHT the 5 into the race.

I beg to differ, it wasn't that this horse had a bad day. The jockey had the numbskull day.

I study chalks all day, to see how they can lose. This was one where I said: can lose if jock is passive in the 1st quarter.

Did I bet? Absolutely not. I don't know the Cali guys that well. If it was Irad, I'd bet against as he is so passive early.

Putrid ride. Subtle but putrid. IMHO.

[EasyGoer89]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

Horse didn't have it today.

Had the lead, had perfect position. Jockey wasn't choking or holding her back. The came at her at the top of the stretch and she had absolutely no answer. I mean, if she would have fired back at least a little, then maybe you could say she had horse and it was a poor ride, but she had nothing.

Sometimes the dead 1/9 chalk has a bad day. Wasn't the 1st time it has happened, and certainly won't be the last.

I won't be surprised if we find out in the next couple of days that she had some kind of issue that they obviously didn't know about prior to the race.

The D'Amato stable had a horse injured and scratched out of the BC, not a race stress injury, just something that happened in the morning, same thing happened to another strong horse called toowindyto haul rox who was euthanized recently and in enola grey's last win on the turf, d'amato had another nice mare (summer time something) who was the betting favorite and was eased in the lane, not sure if any of this stuff is related, but these are all star or borderline star horses, they aren't cheap claimers, its odd.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

There are sprinters who burst to the lead, rate and rebrake to power home.

There are sprinters who burst to the lead and ration out their speed throughout the race without another burst late and win.

There are sprinters who burst to the lead and then try and speed pop (let it out mid race) and then hope to hold on in the lane.

This 1/9 chalk does not strike me as a stay even and then rebrake/burst home from the 1/4 kind of horse.

This chalk's main advantage was getting a 3 length lead, get the others off the bit and then come home averagely for the win.

By going so slow early, the jock made it a 4 or 5 F sprint to the wire with no head start. He BROUGHT the 5 into the race.

I beg to differ, it wasn't that this horse had a bad day. The jockey had the numbskull day.

I study chalks all day, to see how they can lose. This was one where I said: can lose if jock is passive in the 1st quarter.

Did I bet? Absolutely not. I don't know the Cali guys that well. If it was Irad, I'd bet against as he is so passive early.

Putrid ride. Subtle but putrid. IMHO.

Tyler Baze is as honest a jock as you'll find on the West Coast. He has rode Enola Gray in every start of her career. Phil D'Amato is a solid trainer as well.

I highly doubt there was any 'funky' business going on in this race. She has sat 2nd her previous 2 races. Was Baze giving a crap ride in those as well?

Reality is, look back at the and the splits she has ran. More than comparable to Enola Gray, and yes, maybe even better, while also showing the ability to pass horses.

The was dead chalk 5 races in a row with a single win. They changed out jocks to Desormeaux who has been on fire lately. Yes, it was a huge class jump, but she was 2nd choice.

The pure reality is that Enola Gray was a massive underlay. Like yourself, I didn't have a nickel on the race, but 1/9 was simply absurd.

[rsetup]

Looking at her previous 5 races: she didn't clear early in the most recent 3; and went wire to wire in the previous 2. She won all all of them except the one two back (not including today's race). Difficult to make the case, IMO, that she lost today because her jock didn't open up early.

[EMD4ME]

There is a breaking point where if a speed goes TOO SLOW, they then are at a disadvantage.

Let's take a look at today's sprints at DELMAR:

Race 1 3UP MDSP 223 46 1101 1162

Race 3 2YO S MDSP 222 454 1102

Race 4 3&UP CL 16 N2L 221 452 1104 1172

Race 6 3UP F S MDSP 22 451 1044

Race 8 3UP F S Stake 23 46 110 122 2


Every single cheaper and slower race went WAY FASTER than this 1/9 shot's opening quarter. Yes, her race was at 7F, all other races were 6 and 6 1/2 but if you don't think this horse's best chance to win was taken away by a BONEHEAD ride, then there's nothing else I can say here ladies and gentlemen.

For the record, I clearly said bonehead ride. I am 100% saying it was NOT a stiff job. Just a stupid ride.

[VigorsTheGrey]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

Tyler Baze is as honest a jock as you'll find on the West Coast. He has rode Enola Gray in every start of her career. Phil D'Amato is a solid trainer as well.

I highly doubt there was any 'funky' business going on in this race. She has sat 2nd her previous 2 races. Was Baze giving a crap ride in those as well?

Reality is, look back at the and the splits she has ran. More than comparable to Enola Gray, and yes, maybe even better, while also showing the ability to pass horses.

The was dead chalk 5 races in a row with a single win. They changed out jocks to Desormeaux who has been on fire lately. Yes, it was a huge class jump, but she was 2nd choice.

The pure reality is that Enola Gray was a massive underlay. Like yourself, I didn't have a nickel on the race, but 1/9 was simply absurd.

I don't know..the write-up in the DRF by Brad Free said that Enola "will be paid to work seven furlongs"....turns out, that was exactly what she did, as the running looked more like a workout that a race....Both Brad Free and the trainer were very high on her chances...read the article....the trainer must be puzzled by the effort as well...

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

There is a breaking point where if a speed goes TOO SLOW, they then are at a disadvantage.

Let's take a look at today's sprints at DELMAR:

Race 1 3UP MDSP 223 46 1101 1162

Race 3 2YO S MDSP 222 454 1102

Race 4 3&UP CL 16 N2L 221 452 1104 1172

Race 6 3UP F S MDSP 22 451 1044

Race 8 3UP F S Stake 23 46 110 122 2


Every single cheaper and slower race went WAY FASTER than this 1/9 shot's opening quarter. Yes, her race was at 7F, all other races were 6 and 6 1/2 but if you don't think this horse's best chance to win was taken away by a BONEHEAD ride, then there's nothing else I can say here ladies and gentlemen.

For the record, I clearly said bonehead ride. I am 100% saying it was NOT a stiff job. Just a stupid ride.

WHY was she supposed to be guaranteed a 2 to 3 length lead?

Point out to me EXACTLY how she was supposed to have an insurmountable lead in the race today.

Other than your opinion, put some factual information out there. And while you're at it, make sure to include the stats for the .

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

I don't know..the write-up in the DRF by Brad Free said that Enola "will be paid to work seven furlongs"....turns out, that was exactly what she did, as the running looked more like a workout that a race....Both Brad Free and the trainer were very high on her chances...read the article....the trainer must be puzzled by the effort as well...

And you let other people make your opinion for you? With your money on the line?

IF you are a serious player, you take their input and their opinion, but you then rationalize all the information available to you and YOU make your decision.

[VigorsTheGrey]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

And you let other people make your opinion for you? With your money on the line?

IF you are a serious player, you take their input and their opinion, but you then rationalize all the information available to you and YOU make your decision.

You have to be a computer to "rationalize" all the input available nowadays...I wish the pundits were more reliable with their picks....there are some I think keeping an eye on is OK....like Jeff seigal, Jeff at woodbine, I hear TLG is pretty good....but you are right about making your own decisions regardless....like I heard someone say, maybe lamboguy, "how to tune out the pundits and become acutely aware of the intangibles hidden in every race....."

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

.I wish the pundits were more reliable with their picks......."

Seriously? Just quit if that is the information you need.

[VigorsTheGrey]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

Seriously? Just quit if that is the information you need.

The thing is that there ARE people close to this game that do have OK analysis....its a place to start...I'm going strictly off of the DRF pps and bris pps for most of my info...I also like to use visual handicapping but this is very limited in a simulcast setting....I'm not a pro nor do I pretend to be...I lose money most of the time but do enjoy playing and following the sport...it really is my only sporting passion...I do it because I love it and don't expect to come out a winner....and so no, I'm not really a serious player....but no, I'll never quit the sport....I'm like an aging jockey who doesn't quite know what to do with his life.... It kind of gets into your blood...but at least I don't drink or smoke....