Anti casino commercials for a North Jersey Casino...

[onefast99]

have been fact checked and the results are as follows:

30,000 jobs will be lost-actually the state will gain over 10,000

Trenton continues to lie to Us NJ residents-Trenton's Bad Bet is funded in part by the Genting Group, a Malaysian company that operates the Resorts World casino at Aqueduct , which could be hurt by competition from north Jersey casinos. Most employees are residents on New York.

A Northern NJ casino will eventually fail-truth is a NNJ casino will be one of the most frequented casinos in the world due to its location.

Trenton continues to be riddled with bad debt and broken promises-political promises being broken are one thing but they have nothing to do with an expansion of gaming in NJ. Atlantic City has seen its better days their demise wasn't Trenton's fault it was neighboring states building more and more casinos and NJ gamblers heading to the Sands and Resorts World as they are closer and offer the same thing AC does.

[Tom]

Death
Taxes
Anything in a TV commercial is a lie.

Three things for certain.

[Redboard]

I will be voting to allow casinos anywhere in NJ.

For someone who just wants to play a game of poker after work, why make him drive 2 hours? AC will still be the resort place with the best hotels.

AC has to wake up and smell the coffee. Your monopoly on gambling is well past its sell-by date.

[barn32]

Originally Posted by onefast99

...by the Genting Group, a Malaysian company that operates the Resorts World casino at Aqueduct...

I think this is the same group that is finishing up the once bankrupt Eschelon Casino in Las Vegas (across from the Encore.)

Link

[SuperPickle]

I'm shocked they're even running the ads. They won. Gural has thrown in the towel.

The only questions left are...

1. Will the casino lose by such a large margin they give up permanently? If the measures goes down to a 10-20% lose do they tap out?

2. Will Gural fold up shop at the Meadowlands? He has an out on the lease and he can use it.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

I'm shocked they're even running the ads. They won. Gural has thrown in the towel.

The only questions left are...

1. Will the casino lose by such a large margin they give up permanently? If the measures goes down to a 10-20% lose do they tap out?

2. Will Gural fold up shop at the Meadowlands? He has an out on the lease and he can use it.

If the measure fails, I see the Meadowlands closing for good.
Gural will have no reason to hang around. He's been awarded a license for a casino at his Tioga Downs location. No doubt he will concentrate his efforts there.
Without a casino in the Meadowlands, Gural would have no use for the place.
What a shame. 40 years from opening day(Actually Sept 1st 1976) with 42k people in attendance, the former number one harness track in the world, to a lingering and sad death.

[SuperPickle]

Originally Posted by thespaah

If the measure fails, I see the Meadowlands closing for good.
Gural will have no reason to hang around. He's been awarded a license for a casino at his Tioga Downs location. No doubt he will concentrate his efforts there.
Without a casino in the Meadowlands, Gural would have no use for the place.
What a shame. 40 years from opening day(Actually Sept 1st 1976) with 42k people in attendance, the former number one harness track in the world, to a lingering and sad death.

I get conflicting reports of when his out clause on the lease is. 2017 is the latest I hear.

There's a reasonable chance next harness meet is the last. Which is super given the just spent $190 million on the grandstand.

The million dollar question is will the Rooney's expand the track at Yonkers. Basically them refusing to make the track bigger is the only thing keeping the big m in business.

[MonmouthParkJoe]

Agreed. I believe his sole purpose for acquiring the track in the first place and having the new building created was in preparation for this. I think he even went on record saying if they dont get a casino he may turn it into a NASCAR track.

Honestly cant believe what has happened to the Big M over the years, and if it does in fact close the harness industry is in real trouble.

[SuperPickle]

Originally Posted by MonmouthParkJoe

Agreed. I believe his sole purpose for acquiring the track in the first place and having the new building created was in preparation for this. I think he even went on record saying if they dont get a casino he may turn it into a NASCAR track.

Honestly cant believe what has happened to the Big M over the years, and if it does in fact close the harness industry is in real trouble.

He has no land use rights. He can't develop the land nor alter it. He can't even run a thoroughbred meet. The rights to a fall thoroughbred meet are owned by the Monmouth guys.

He can simply walk away. At which time either someone else takes the lease or the horsemen try to operate a meet or the state gets back into horse racing.

[NJ Stinks]

Let's see now.

1. AC Casinos don't even simulcast except the Borgada.

2. AC Casinos killed AC Racetrack.

3. Gural may not be a saint but the guy likes harness racing.

4. Here's an interesting quote that might sway somebody from Jersey:
"More than $20 million has been spent on both sides of the issue, but more money was deployed by a group that is backed by New York casinos. Those gaming facilities don’t want to see more casinos built closer to them and create greater regional competition."

5. Casinos in North Jersey will still be farther away than one's already operating around Philly.

I'm voting yes to casinos in North Jersey.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by NJ Stinks

Let's see now.

1. AC Casinos don't even simulcast except the Borgada.

2. AC Casinos killed AC Racetrack.

3. Gural may not be a saint but the guy likes harness racing.

4. Here's an interesting quote that might sway somebody from Jersey:
"More than $20 million has been spent on both sides of the issue, but more money was deployed by a group that is backed by New York casinos. Those gaming facilities don’t want to see more casinos built closer to them and create greater regional competition."

5. Casinos in North Jersey will still be farther away than one's already operating around Philly.

I'm voting yes to casinos in North Jersey.

The moral of the story with AC casinos is this: If you promise to take care of the city, and you don't, broken promises equal broke casinos....Bye-bye scumbags.....I won't be a hypocrite, yes, Donald Trump was a part of that, too.

[SuperPickle]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

The moral of the story with AC casinos is this: If you promise to take care of the city, and you don't, broken promises equal broke casinos....Bye-bye scumbags.....I won't be a hypocrite, yes, Donald Trump was a part of that, too.

This sums up why they'll never be casinos outside Atlantic City. The argument of "look at AC" can't be overcome. Voters don't want that near them. Voters know they'll be paying to bailout AC for the next 50 years because it will never get better. And they know expanded gaming doesn't help AC.

The argument is simply too strong to overcome.

As a guy I know who worked with Gural told me. They had a shot, a window before the AC casinos closed and city went broke. They probably could have gotten casinos up North if they did back when PA and NY we're doing it. 2005-2011. Voters would have bought the argument it was necessary to combat those casinos and revenue lose. Voters would have bought it was necessary to help the Meadowlands after the Nets left for Brooklyn.

Now with PA and NY up and running and AC bleeding cash and violent and terrifying as ever it's a non-starter.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

This sums up why they'll never be casinos outside Atlantic City. The argument of "look at AC" can't be overcome. Voters don't want that near them. Voters know they'll be paying to bailout AC for the next 50 years because it will never get better. And they know expanded gaming doesn't help AC.

The argument is simply too strong to overcome.

As a guy I know who worked with Gural told me. They had a shot, a window before the AC casinos closed and city went broke. They probably could have gotten casinos up North if they did back when PA and NY we're doing it. 2005-2011. Voters would have bought the argument it was necessary to combat those casinos and revenue lose. Voters would have bought it was necessary to help the Meadowlands after the Nets left for Brooklyn.

Now with PA and NY up and running and AC bleeding cash and violent and terrifying as ever it's a non-starter.

The Nets along with the Devils went to the Prudential Center as the incompetents that run the NJSEA(the same ones shackeled with bond debt from the old Giants Stadium) just wanted to collect their paychecks and close the Izod center instead of using it as a revenue stream and trying to compete with the Prudential Center.

[proximity]

i confess i'm curious as to what a meadowlands casino would be like but where is the horsemen based "racino" casino that treats the player better than even atlantic city casinos??

[titans1127]

I found it most amusing that during the Meadowlands simulcast tonight they played a pro-casino commercial and had all these hard working construction worker type people talking about jobs lost without the casino. They managed to sneak in Jenn Bongornio who is a Meadowlands employee in between construction workers.

Its like a clever way of saying, no casino, no Meadowlands.