Should a public handicapper display their statistics?

[zappedbythevicar]

the answer should be obvious but apparently it isn't

[Stillriledup]

In the defense of certain popular handicappers, an ROI of 2.00 would be a win simply because of the followers deflating the prices on the picks. Even 1.95 is a win, but would be treated as a loss.

Another factor is that some public handicappers are instructed to release a pick every race, when they would skip a lot of races in real life. I do think there is some disingenuous nature to people releasing picks they're TOLD to release, but I'm not sure how you combat that. Maybe some public players could say 'this isn't a pick I'm betting with my own money' but they usually don't tell you if they're betting the race with their own funds or not.

I would like to see ROIs, if someone had the time and desire, they can track all public selectors picks and keep track, it doesn't seem like the cappers themselves are in any rush to do provide records of their successes and failures.

[Milkshaker]

The Racing Times used to do it.

[Sinner369]

They don't do it because 95% of the pickers' would be embarrassed by the results.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Sinner369

They don't do it because 95% of the pickers' would be embarrassed by the results.

But even the 5 pct who win don't do it. Serling could shut a lot of people up by posting his ROI, but I get his point that if he came in at 1.97 he would get clobbered even though 1.97 for him would be a win when you factor in the credit he gets by people deflating his prices.

[ultracapper]

DRF shows the selectors stats at the top of their picks each day. It shows wins and ITM finishers of their top picks.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by zappedbythevicar

the answer should be obvious but apparently it isn't

Obviously, it is NO.
Any jerk can do the work himself, unless he is lazy slug.
Perhaps you will be banned soon for trolling then you can spend your time learning how to handicap.

[thaskalos]

If the public handicapper releases selections for every race on the card, then a ROI is useless...because it will always be in the negative. But if he releases "best bets" as well...then the ROI on those could be useful.

[zappedbythevicar]

so we all know that most public handicappers in PRINTED EDITIONS are made days ahead before changes, scratches, weather conditions, bias, etc. which is factored into any judgments made about there statistics.

however when a public handicapper has the opportunity to appear on live tv, live simulcast feed, etc. in REAL TIME why not hold them to a higher degree when they have the optionality to ALTER their selections in real time based on bias, weather ,scratches etc and can clearly broadcast a continuous running total for all to see what those statistics are!!!!

[zappedbythevicar]

Originally Posted by Tom

Obviously, it is NO.
Any jerk can do the work himself, unless he is lazy slug.
Perhaps you will be banned soon for trolling then you can spend your time learning how to handicap.

73,259! is that a real statistic? i looked up troll and guess whose name i saw

[Robert Fischer]

1) It does not matter what public handicapper's stats are

2) If a public handicapper existed that could demonstrate a significant range of profitable statistics, it would be a BAD thing, not a good thing for players.

[johnhannibalsmith]

You may be the only person in the universe that gives nearly this much of a shit so no, it probably isn't necessary.

[Robert Fischer]

A public handicapper's job has very little (perhaps nothing) to do with selection statistics.

[zappedbythevicar]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

1) It does not matter what public handicapper's stats are

2) If a public handicapper existed that could demonstrate a significant range of profitable statistics, it would be a BAD thing, not a good thing for players.

thats why WE ALL KNOW that the whole thing is a joke. If any of them were any good the last thing they would be doing is giving out their selections to anyone and everyone. THEY WOULD BE BETTING

"those who can DO those who can't teach"

[thaskalos]

A public handicapper is in a can't-lose situation when he reports the ROI of his key selections. If the ROI is impressive...then the public handicapper can brag about his handicapping prowess. And if the ROI is lacking, then he could brag about his large following...whose bets on his wagers drive down the mutuel prices, thus making his selections unprofitable.