Hong Kong Race Handicapping

[QuickHorse]

Anyone handicapping the races at Sha Tin and Happy Valley in Hong Kong? We're in the process of providing the free data for those two tracks in our QuickHorse program. Have we provided "a solution in search of a problem"?

Thanks,
Mike

[JimG]

Originally Posted by QuickHorse

Anyone handicapping the races at Sha Tin and Happy Valley in Hong Kong? We're in the process of providing the free data for those two tracks in our QuickHorse program. Have we provided "a solution in search of a problem"?

Thanks,
Mike

Mike,

I think that sounds forward thinking. Best of luck. The more international racing we could handicap, the better.

Jim

[Wiley]

I've been playing Happy Valley since my ADW started carrying it earlier this year. Sha Tin on occasion, but harder for me given the race times.

Love the presentation for the races, perfect for a simulcast player. Great, long views of the horses in the paddock and prep before the races. Good information usually from the broadcasters as well. It would be nice if many American tracks followed their practice over here in my opinion.

I am mainly just using appearance, trip, class and form cycles to handicap. I will also watch for how the track appears to be playing and the race pace set up as best I can with the limited information in the PP's, just use the pretty sparse PP's free from my ADW.

One issue I find interesting, is the huge weight difference between runners in each race, something you rarely see here in the states anymore.

Love the huge pools and full fields and it is not hard to find value plays in almost every race on a card.

[maddog42]

I have been reluctant to bump heads with the largest (super whales) in the world. Benter and other super sophisticated teams. Their product is excellent and their commitment to honest racing makes it appealing. Only the late hours are inconvenient.

[Wiley]

Originally Posted by maddog42

I have been reluctant to bump heads with the largest (super whales) in the world. Benter and other super sophisticated teams.

I am sure these guys are in the pools, but I think there is also a lot of less sophisticated money in their pools as well. It is also cool to see the track packed with people in what looks like a great party environment most of the time, at least at Happy Valley as it is night racing.

There are odds fluctuations, but they don't seem as drastic as in the states, probably helped by the large betting pools.

I have hit more 20 to 50 - 1 shot winners in HK in maybe 12 to 15 race days, than I have even thought about hitting over the last 5 or 6 years here in the states.

[Hoofless_Wonder]

Love Hong Kong racing. My wagers this year at Sha Tin are up 10 times over last year when it was finally brought back after 7 or 8 years. It's now 25% of my total horse racing handle and rising. As a recreational player, there's no doubt in my mind I get the best bang for the buck on the Hong Kong circuit.

There seems to be very little in the way of commercial handicapping or selection products available for Hong Kong. There is quite a bit of information on the HKJC website if one digs through it, but it's cumbersome. Since Hong Kong is now in their summer break until September 6th, I was thinking of writing some tools to make the info gathering a bit easier.

I'm not familiar with the QuickHorse product, but I'll be first in line to try it out if you end up supporting that circuit. Feel free to PM me if you're in the need of any beta testers. To be honest, I'm not sure if it's worth your time for just a North American customer base. I haven't seen any wagering numbers since last year, but they seemed low at first, and the selection threads and other posts on PA don't indicate an overwhelming popularity.

However, if you could market your product to the residents of Hong Kong, the sky's the limit. They bet as much on one race as the whole card at Santa Anita.....

[Hoofless_Wonder]

Originally Posted by Wiley

I am sure these guys are in the pools, but I think there is also a lot of less sophisticated money in their pools as well. It is also cool to see the track packed with people in what looks like a great party environment most of the time, at least at Happy Valley as it is night racing.

There are odds fluctuations, but they don't seem as drastic as in the states, probably helped by the large betting pools.

I have hit more 20 to 50 - 1 shot winners in HK in maybe 12 to 15 race days, than I have even thought about hitting over the last 5 or 6 years here in the states.

I'd agree that there is plenty of unsophisticated money in the pools, especially in the QP pool. Getting longshots there is definitely easier, or so it seems, then in the states. My only complaint is that the "Magic Man" (Moreira) is like Pat Day at Arlington back in the '90s, and he depresses a lot of prices and it's difficult to keep him off the board.

As for odds fluctuations, there's plenty of races where the odds drop 20 to 50% or more in the last couple of minutes - the brown lamp specials. Wagers of $250K (US) or more are not uncommon.

[betovernetcapper]

What are you using for a data source?

[QuickHorse]

The data from hong kong on the two tracks involved.

Mike

[HuggingTheRail]

Loved played Hong Kong, but HPI here in Canada has not carried it for about 2 years.... another reason to hate the monopoly that HPI has....

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by Hoofless_Wonder

I'd agree that there is plenty of unsophisticated money in the pools, especially in the QP pool. Getting longshots there is definitely easier, or so it seems, then in the states. My only complaint is that the "Magic Man" (Moreira) is like Pat Day at Arlington back in the '90s, and he depresses a lot of prices and it's difficult to keep him off the board.

As for odds fluctuations, there's plenty of races where the odds drop 20 to 50% or more in the last couple of minutes - the brown lamp specials. Wagers of $250K (US) or more are not uncommon.

Welcome to the world of Internet wagering. It is same story everywhere there is pari-mutuel wagering and internet wagering are both allowed. The bigger the pools, the more late betting happens.

[TonyMLake]

Originally Posted by QuickHorse

Anyone handicapping the races at Sha Tin and Happy Valley in Hong Kong? We're in the process of providing the free data for those two tracks in our QuickHorse program. Have we provided "a solution in search of a problem"?

Thanks,
Mike

Will the exported data be in the same format as Brisnet Multicaps or Single data files or some other familiar format?

[hyipro]

run a goggle on winner21 I have it on my tablet great resource for the Pacific and Asia Africa racing.

[dkithore]

Yes.

Definitely interested in seeing data on class rating like Brisnet's, to start.

[QuickHorse]

Originally Posted by TonyMLake

Will the exported data be in the same format as Brisnet Multicaps or Single data files or some other familiar format?

Tony,

We messed around with converting our data to the DRF formats, but the problem is we don't have the same calculations for items such as Bris Power, and their various other calculations, so even though we could populate most of the fields, and have, those calculations are what we've found that most want to use. Also, if those FREE Programs are what users want to use, we've found that most require the added CHECKSUM calculation (that's what my programmers call it) and we don't have that algorithm either. Its a protection that I suppose Bris expects those programs to include in order to be mentioned on its site.

A shorter answer to your question is, we've produced those DRF files and populated most of the fields but in the past users haven't found them useful enough for us to actually "advertise" them as part of QuickHorse.

Mike