NUCLEAR TREATY

[lamboguy]

this is a joke and a real insult to not only all of us dumb asses but the rest of the world.

this is only a piece of paper that you can wipe your behind with. if one looks at history they will find that Pursians are pretty shifty when it comes down to promises.

there are 80 million Pursians in Iran, they have just out foxed the rest of the world.

my real question is that we were doing a pretty decent job with the sanction's and might have been on the trail of a pretty decent outcome with a possible revolution in Iran for a future date. why change things up in mid stream?

[Tom]

Obama and Kerry - DAP Part Duex.

[Robert Goren]

They have been part of a chemical weapons treaty for ten years and lived up to their end. The one thing I do not get. How anyone can think Iran would not get Nukes without this treaty is beyond me. Not signing the treaty will guarantee a Nuclear Iran. Besides we need Iran and their surrogates to fight ISIS. Their are only two real military Islamic powers in the Middle East, Iran and Sunni radical extremists who get their money from the Saudis. We have to pick one or the other. If you oppose this treaty, then you are siding with ISIS. That is the unpleasant reality whether anyone likes it or not. It is appears to me that ISIS is bigger threat to the US than Iran. Note: ISIS has been very careful not to carry out terrorist attacks in Israel. They are hoping Israel will block any deal with Iran. ISIS are the most evil people on the face of the Earth at present time, but does not mean they are stupid. They know that the United States can not defeat them without the help of a local ally. They also know that moderate the Sunnis that some people think we can partner with does not exist.

[dartman51]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

They have been part of a chemical weapons treaty for ten years and lived up to their end. The one thing I do not get. How anyone can think Iran would not get Nukes without this treaty is beyond me. Not signing the treaty will guarantee a Nuclear Iran. Besides we need Iran and their surrogates to fight ISIS. Their are only two real military Islamic powers in the Middle East, Iran and Sunni radical extremists who get their money from the Saudis. We have to pick one or the other. If you oppose this treaty, then you are siding with ISIS. That is the unpleasant reality whether anyone likes it or not. It is appears to me that ISIS is bigger threat to the US than Iran. Note: ISIS has been very careful not to carry out terrorist attacks in Israel. They are hoping Israel will block any deal with Iran. ISIS are the most evil people on the face of the Earth at present time, but does not mean they are stupid. They know that the United States can not defeat them without the help of a local ally. They also know that moderate the Sunnis that some people think we can partner with does not exist.

How do you know that they've lived up to their end of the deal? Have you been over there to inspect?? Because, we, or no one else have. Not to mention the fact that this current deal will do NOTHING to stop them from going nuclear. We have to give them a 14 day notice before we can inspect current sites, and they reserve the right to challenge. Just the fact that Obama and Kerry spent so much time trying to sell this to the American people, this morning, should give one pause. Then he has to warn Congress NOT to change anything or he would veto it. That tells ANYONE with a brain, that this is garbage, and he knows Congress isn't going to go for it. But, then Libs, like you, gobble every piece of shit that this POTUS shovels out. Why am I not surprised.

[Tom]

We do not need Iran for anything,
Iran can not be trusted on anything.
They are our enemy - and will never be anything else.

To trust Iran is just plain stupid.

If they want nukes, we should shower them in some of ours.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

They have been part of a chemical weapons treaty for ten years and lived up to their end.

They have been cheating on the interim nuclear agreement while negotiating the final one. And Obama and Kerry knew it and didn't push it for fear of not getting an agreement.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-nuclear-deal/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...talks-drag-on/

[elysiantraveller]

This is not a deal. No one is getting what they really want here.

Iran views American military adventurism as a serious national security issue - not addressed.

Israel wants a tangible safeguard or barrier to a nuclear Iran - not given.

The US wants clear transparency on the Iranian program to maintain a clear balance of power in the region - not given.

I would go so far as to say this is a step in the WRONG direction as no one gets the assurances they sought. Also, going forward now all three sides have a useless piece of paper to negotiate around.

[dartman51]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

This is not a deal. No one is getting what they really want here.

Iran views American military adventurism as a serious national security issue - not addressed.

Israel wants a tangible safeguard or barrier to a nuclear Iran - not given.

The US wants clear transparency on the Iranian program to maintain a clear balance of power in the region - not given.

I would go so far as to say this is a step in the WRONG direction as no one gets the assurances they sought. Also, going forward now all three sides have a useless piece of paper to negotiate around.

Oh, but we're giving Iran $140 billion and NO ANYTIME, ANYWHERE inspections. That's gotta be a good deal, right???

[iceknight]

Only one country has used nuclear weapons on civilian population in the entire planet. twice.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by dartman51

Oh, but we're giving Iran $140 billion and NO ANYTIME, ANYWHERE inspections. That's gotta be a good deal, right???

I agree with you. This is not a good deal for all parties included. Re-read my post.

[Tom]

Only one country has used nuclear weapons on civilian population in the entire planet. twice.

Yes, we did.
On an animalistic nation that was waging war on everyone and was not about to stop. Cowardly bastards, the Japs got what they deserved, but nowhere near severe enough.

Many tens of thousand of American lives were saved and that is all that mattered. Had Japan ceased to exist, it would have been acceptable. Every Jap in the country was expendable. We should have hung the Emperor.

Notice both Germany and Japan - after near total annihilation never agian threaten the peace. You don't win wars through negotiation, you win them through annihilation. Lesson to be learned.

And after doing what had to be done, we never used them again.

And the threat of us doing so prevented others from using them as well.

[OntheRail]

The World is NOT a safer place due to this agreement. Another weak link forged by the Oh-bum-ma Administration. God Help Us All.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Israel wants a tangible safeguard or barrier to a nuclear Iran - not given.

Israel was never a party to these negotiations. They have their own nuclear weapons. Lots of them.

[Robert Fischer]

Most of the stuff we hear about nukes, nuke deals, wars, threats, etc... is completely propaganda.


We just have to kind of go with the flow. We have no other sane choice. We are the good guys. We've got to be safe from the bad guys. What the news says is what we should believe. Looking too deep at things like resources, incentives, etc... is actually counterproductive at this level. This is more like religion. Listen, learn the scripture, and have faith in it.

There's no sense in going beyond that. When in doubt read a major news source, preferably one aligned with our political party.

[Tom]

Iran is an international sponsor of terrorism.
With all those billions were giving them that now make us the number one sponsor of terrorism.

And you guys laughed at me when I repeatedly called Obama a terrorist.
He has just cemented his legacy...as Osama's replacement.

Time for impeachment.