Arizona loses/ Ginsburg a hypocrite

[zico20]

The Arizona legislature lost the supreme court ruling 5-4 with Kennedy siding with the four liberals. Roberts was fuming in his dissent. Justice Ginsburg must have caught dementia in the last few days it seems. Her quote on the ruling:

“The animating principle of our Constitution [is] that the people themselves are the originating source of all the powers of government,” Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote for the majority.

Just days earlier she voted to take away the power of the people with her ruling on gay marriage, striking down numerous state elections against gay marriage. She needs to go the minute a Republican is inaugurated as the next president.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...4b5_story.html

[horses4courses]

Like a lil cheese with that whine ?

[zico20]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Like a lil cheese with that whine ?

No, I would just like the justices to follow the Constitution, something you obviously don't.

[horses4courses]

Any justice that votes contrary to your beliefs
isn't following the constitution, I take it?

[zico20]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Any justice that votes contrary to your beliefs
isn't following the constitution, I take it?

No, not at all.

[NJ Stinks]

Fix the districts....Restrict voting....I'm beginning to think the GOP doesn't dig living in a democracy.

[zico20]

Originally Posted by NJ Stinks

Fix the districts....Restrict voting....I'm beginning to think the GOP doesn't dig living in a democracy.

Democrats were masters at gerrymandering districts long before the Republicans became good at it.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by zico20

Democrats were masters at gerrymandering districts long before the Republicans became good at it.

You don't understand. The Democrats know what is best for the people of Arizona, even if they live thousands of miles away.

[Rookies]

Gerrymandering is a complete perversion of democracy.

Always has been, always will be, regardless of who performs the fix.

If there is a way to block it, as per this case- great.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Rookies

Gerrymandering is a complete perversion of democracy.

Always has been, always will be, regardless of who performs the fix.

If there is a way to block it, as per this case- great.

The issue here is not gerrymandering or redistricting. The issue is the US Constitution, and the power of the state legislature to determine the election process in its state.

Article 1, Section 4, Clause 1 of the US Constitution says:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing [sic] Senators.

That means that the state legislature has the power to draw districts. SCOTUS now says that the people of the state can take that power away from the legislature with a simple vote and give it to a state election commission. Again, SCOTUS has rewritten the Constitution because 5 people on the court don't like the current outcome when the Constitution is followed.

And there are no safe guards to insure that this change will have any better results than the present system. And it appears that the proposed system is much less democratic. Currently, the members of the legislature are elected by the people. In the proposed system, the voters would have no say in either the candidates for, or the final membership of, the election commission. There is nothing to prevent the majority of the election commission from gerrymandering the districts.

[reckless]

Originally Posted by NJ Stinks

Fix the districts....Restrict voting....I'm beginning to think the GOP doesn't dig living in a democracy.

Typical empty talking points belched from the lunatic fringe of PA.

The Democrat Party is the party with the democracy issue. Just ask all of our black American citizens about those Democrats such as Robert Byrd, Al Gore Sr., Lester Maddox, J. W. Fulbright that fought tooth and nail to deny them basic voting and civil rights.

Ask those American citizens of Japanese descent that were illegally and immorally interred thanks to Democrat icon president FDR.

And today, we have a Democrat party that wants convicted felons and murderers to have the right to vote; the Democrats want to give illegal aliens the right to vote, and the Democrats wants our national elections to be counted and certified by foreign entities in foreign countries!

This is your Democrat Party. A party of hate, racism, segregation, lawlessness and corruption.

[Tom]

Very well put!

[Robert Goren]

Republicans especially conservative like to ignore the 14th Amendment . The last line of Section I gives them a great deal trouble.
"nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Equal protection means all citizens, not just White heterosexual males. Yes, it even includes them. Passed in 1868, it is perhaps the most important amendment.

[Tom]

Yes, and the dems have been ignoring it since it passed.

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by Tom

Yes, and the dems have been ignoring it since it passed.

Until the 1970s, what you said was true. Since then, we have been trying to change. It is the GOP who developed the "Southern Strategy" after the liberal democrats made the Southern democrats feel unwelcome in the party. They basically trade the bigots for the Rockefeller wing of the republican party. I proud to say that no democrat I know of took money from the White Supremacist group, Council of Conservative Citizens. At least 4 GOP presidential hopefuls have, Walker, Cruz, Paul and Santorum, have. In addition, Romney took money from them in 2012. It is not like the CCC has made a secret of their racist views. If you support any of those four, you are supporting a person who doesn't have problem with racism today. It is today I am concerned about. There is nothing anyone can do change history, but there is plenty we can do to change what is happening today. How well those four do in the coming months, will say a lot about how GOP feels about racism today.