Dayton: No super stretch

[1GCFAN]

Why would they build a track without a super stretch. Also, they are limiting the field size to 9. Anyone know the answer?

[Ray2000]

I don't have any answers to OP but I'll post this in here.

Dayton's Morning Line

I'm guessing it's a Trackmaster Line because it's capped at 30/1

So far it's been pretty good except for a couple of glaring misses.

MISCHIEVOUS JESSE 30/1 won last night at 3/2
REISIN IN THE SUN 30/1 off at 4/1

[pandy]

Originally Posted by 1GCFAN

Why would they build a track without a super stretch. Also, they are limiting the field size to 9. Anyone know the answer?

It's a 5/8's track, 9 horses is the norm, and the stretch is typical for a 5/8's oval. The real question is, why do they keep building 5/8's tracks when there isn't a single 5/8's track that has good handle?

[baconswitchfarm]

Originally Posted by pandy

It's a 5/8's track, 9 horses is the norm, and the stretch is typical for a 5/8's oval. The real question is, why do they keep building 5/8's tracks when there isn't a single 5/8's track that has good handle?

Amen

[mrroyboy]

Yes I think it's because 1/2 mile tracks are not popular with harness fans and mile tracks are more expensive to build so maybe they are choosing something in the middle. Just a guess on my part.

[wilderness]

Generally speaking, the track size is dependent upon the acreage available on the grounds (That's what determined the perimeter of Hazel Park in 1950).

Considering Dayton was built as a racino, the track is secondary to their existence and/or customer market.

Thus, it's likely that the available acreage used for the racino is larger than than the acreage used for da horses.

Somewhere I've a reference that provides the minimum acreage required for various size tracks, however does not include the acreage required for additional buildings.

[baconswitchfarm]

Originally Posted by mrroyboy

Yes I think it's because 1/2 mile tracks are not popular with harness fans and mile tracks are more expensive to build so maybe they are choosing something in the middle. Just a guess on my part.

That is the excuse they use. The truth is that the horsemen don't want the 1/2 and the tracks don't want the expense of building a two turn track. So they split the difference and build a track the bettors don't want.

[The Inside Scoop]

Originally Posted by pandy

It's a 5/8's track, 9 horses is the norm, and the stretch is typical for a 5/8's oval. The real question is, why do they keep building 5/8's tracks when there isn't a single 5/8's track that has good handle?

You are bang on Pandy. In this day and age why they would not build a mile track is beyond me. A mile track allows you to have races with more horses in it, different distance races, which will in the very least, give you a chance to increase the handle. If anybody knows what the handles have been at Dayton to date, please post them as I have been unable to find them anywhere.

[Ray2000]

Dayton handle

Oct 3, $177,213
Oct 4, $135,839
Oct 8, $72,683

[The Inside Scoop]

Thanks

[Postime]

You can check the Handle of any Ohio racetrack here.
http://www.racing.ohio.gov/Commission.html

[The Inside Scoop]

Thanks for that information.

[Ray2000]

Originally Posted by Postime

You can check the Handle of any Ohio racetrack here.
http://www.racing.ohio.gov/Commission.html

Postime

I had to check out the difference in Dayton totals for Oct 3rd from what my ADW says to what the "Commission" reports.

177,213 vs 128,976

All mutuel pools sums up to 177,213
Somebody's sending in the wrong numbers, maybe they should "mete out penalties" to themselves.

DBL	1639
DBL	357
EXA	2761
EXA	3091
EXA	2964
EXA	2736
EXA	3819
EXA	2986
EXA	3383
EXA	3344
EXA	2117
EXA	2142
EXA	1746
EXA	2312
EXA	2597
EXA	2302
PK3	286
PK3	317
PK3	92
PK3	206
PK3	284
PK3	361
PK3	191
PK3	94
PK3	238
PK4	361
PK4	410
PLC	1257
PLC	942
PLC	1067
PLC	1413
PLC	1377
PLC	1182
PLC	1613
PLC	1211
PLC	1014
PLC	1006
PLC	687
PLC	1182
PLC	1029
PLC	709
SFC	1639
SFC	1708
SFC	1885
SFC	2330
SFC	2107
SFC	1655
SFC	2316
SFC	1895
SFC	1592
SFC	1723
SFC	1417
SFC	1650
SFC	1745
SFC	1465
SHW	970
SHW	660
SHW	944
SHW	1062
SHW	851
SHW	889
SHW	1208
SHW	895
SHW	847
SHW	716
SHW	537
SHW	724
SHW	650
SHW	558
TRI	3295
TRI	3269
TRI	3789
TRI	3836
TRI	4163
TRI	3581
TRI	4207
TRI	3597
TRI	2674
TRI	2539
TRI	2271
TRI	2881
TRI	2609
TRI	2360
WIN	2683
WIN	2876
WIN	2979
WIN	2964
WIN	3729
WIN	2601
WIN	3756
WIN	3048
WIN	2566
WIN	2079
WIN	1422
WIN	2224
WIN	2108
WIN	1653

[The Inside Scoop]

That's quite a difference in total handle. Could be worth firing off an email to the Ohio racing commission to make sure they are aware of it. Was there not just a scandal where someone was caught pilfering funds from a track?

[1GCFAN]

Pandy - I figured the 5/8 kept the three track circuit in place. Scioto has 10 and sometimes 11 horse fields (for hi 5) and a super stretch. I too like the mile racing and Scioto could be expanded. They have plenty of room. Understand a hotel on the grounds is in the works.