Phil Ivey getting sued

[lamboguy]

supposedly, Phil took down the Borgata Hotel in Atlantic City for $9.4 million due to defective cards in Bacarat. the Borgata wants their money back.

this is an interesting case because he beat them with their own cards.

http://www.nj.com/atlantic/index.ssf...4_million.html

[horses4courses]

I hope he has to pay them back, and is barred from every casino throughout the world.
Haven't heard the outcome of his lawsuit against the London casino, but he has next to no chance of winning that one.

He took advantage of a defect in the cards - multiple times.
That's cheating.
Phil Ivey is an "edge seeker".
He avoids situations where the house has an edge over him in the game.
That's a tactful description of a cheat.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

I hope he has to pay them back, and is barred from every casino throughout the world.
Haven't heard the outcome of his lawsuit against the London casino, but he has next to no chance of winning that one.

He took advantage of a defect in the cards - multiple times.
That's cheating.
Phil Ivey is an "edge seeker".
He avoids situations where the house has an edge over him in the game.
That's a tactful description of a cheat.

ok.

Their cards, their game, if you have defective cards, that's on you.

Right?

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

ok.

Their cards, their game, if you have defective cards, that's on you.

Right?

What if there is a flaw in the game that works against the player?
Is that fair?

[lamboguy]

what i don't understand is how a casino would ever let this bum beat them out of $9 million to begin with.

there is no redeeming qualities about Casino's or the people that run them. i would love to know how many family's got ruined because casino's cleaned them out. the casino payoff politicians to get their licenses to legally rob the public. they ruin the fabric of every city they do business in.

i don't feel sorry for the casino. i only wish that Ivey got them for $900 million instead of the lousy $9 mil he took them for.

you can mark this day down within 6 years more than half these casino's will be closed up and look like morgues. the guys running the shows there aren't that bright to begin with. this episode is living proof.

[horses4courses]

Regardless of what anyone thinks about casinos, Phil Ivey entered more than one casino in 2012 with the intention of taking advantage of flawed playing cards, and cheating them out of millions. He should have to pay for that,
and so should the people who had the inside knowledge through the card manufacturer.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

He avoids situations where the house has an edge over him in the game.

OMG, has the man no shame?

[davew]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

I hope he has to pay them back, and is barred from every casino throughout the world.
Haven't heard the outcome of his lawsuit against the London casino, but he has next to no chance of winning that one.

He took advantage of a defect in the cards - multiple times.
That's cheating.
Phil Ivey is an "edge seeker".
He avoids situations where the house has an edge over him in the game.
That's a tactful description of a cheat.

That is not true, he has a penchant for craps (but maybe he is sliding or changing dice)...

Very difficult to 'prove' over a year ago the deck was defective, allowing him to 'cheat' - I suspect the countersuit that will be filed will get more than original.

[Dave Schwartz]

Regardless of what anyone thinks about casinos, Phil Ivey entered more than one casino in 2012 with the intention of taking advantage of flawed playing cards, and cheating them out of millions. He should have to pay for that,
and so should the people who had the inside knowledge through the card manufacturer.

I must respectfully disagree with this.

In casino gaming, the game is refereed by one of the participants. It is COMPLETELY there responsibility to protect the integrity of the game. Therefore, bad cards, biased roulette wheels, bad dice - whatever the issue is - the responsibility should not belong with the player.

There should be no free lunch for the casino any more than there is for the player.


HOWEVER --- If he enlisted inside help from the casino, then he deserves to be labeled cheater and (no pun) all bets should be off.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

supposedly, Phil took down the Borgata Hotel in Atlantic City for $9.4 million due to defective cards in Bacarat. the Borgata wants their money back.

If they want their money back, all they have to do is comp him the biggest high roller suite in the joint and point him at the craps tables. Away from the poker table, Ivey is one of the biggest degenerate gamblers around.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

There should be no free lunch for the casino any more than there is for the player.


HOWEVER --- If he enlisted inside help from the casino, then he deserves to be labeled cheater and (no pun) all bets should be off.

Agreed, Dave.
The onus is on the casino to prove that he had inside knowledge of the defect.
Being the cynic that I am, I doubt that they will have to dig too deeply.
Phil Ivey was hardly spending time in these joints for the ambiance.

[lamboguy]

Billy Walters AKA "the computer" got Steve Wynn in Atlantic City for $3.5 million on a roulette wheel.

Walters sent 2 guys to the hotel 1 month before he showed up to scout the wheels they had in that place.

when Wynn found out his hotel The Tropicana went for that type of money, he ordered them to shut down the wheels and pay the man.

[cj]

Hmmm, both been involved in some weird stuff:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=98311

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=110228

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

Billy Walters AKA "the computer" got Steve Wynn in Atlantic City for $3.5 million on a roulette wheel.

Walters sent 2 guys to the hotel 1 month before he showed up to scout the wheels they had in that place.

when Wynn found out his hotel The Tropicana went for that type of money, he ordered them to shut down the wheels and pay the man.

Because the bias created in those roulette wheels back in the day was due to a lack of game protection by the house, with no other outside source involved, I would argue that Billy Walters turned the odds in his favor legitimately.

Same with card counters. It's not a crime to be an advantage player.
Just don't expect to be in action very long at the places you're beating.

[Tall One]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

He took advantage of a defect in the cards - multiple times.
That's cheating.
Phil Ivey is an "edge seeker".
He avoids situations where the house has an edge over him in the game.
That's a tactful description of a cheat.

C'mon. Your post reminded me Loonie doing the right thing and not betting a sure thing.

It's the house's responsibility to begin with. If they were doing their jobs, it wouldn't be a problem. Doesn't change the fact it's their table, their dealer, and their cards.

If Nicky was still running things, might be a few new jobs opening up in the casino.