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magwell 06-29-2015 08:42 PM

Hillary Clinton
 
Chances of her becoming the President ?

Hoofless_Wonder 06-30-2015 12:29 AM

Hillary is currently even money or 11 to 10 offshore. This is down significantly from the holidays when she was -230 or better.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/...on-2016/winner

Personally, I think her chances are less than 10%, based on the economy unraveling within the year, and of course the hard sale of getting past her lying, bitchiness, and penchant for failure.

She's the Clinton without the charisma....

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Robert Goren 06-30-2015 08:55 AM

She at this point about 2/5 because the GOP is unlikely to nominate anyone who can beat her. Thinking that somebody like Cruz or Rubio or Walker or Carlson can beat her is just wishful thinking on the part of conservatives. At some point, the GOP has got to sit down and add up the votes of the various possible nominees against her. Something at this point they are unwilling to do. They are having too much fun bashing her. All that is doing is strengthening the resolve of her hard core supporters.
Today Christie gets into the race. It will be interesting to see how he does. He is one of the few republicans that have an outside chance of beating her. And I do see a path for him to get the nomination, but it requires a good deal of luck, a strong showing in New Hampshire and Jeb Bush falling flat on his face. Christie's time may have already come and gone. 2012 was his year. I think he had a good shot(50/50) at beating Obama then. A better shot than he has of beating Hillary. I give him about 35-40% chance of beating Hillary if he can get the nomination.

MutuelClerk 06-30-2015 09:28 AM

I cringe at any of these possibilities.

upthecreek 06-30-2015 09:47 AM

Hillary Supporters
 
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Truer words never spoken

elysiantraveller 06-30-2015 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
She at this point about 2/5 because the GOP is unlikely to nominate anyone who can beat her. Thinking that somebody like Cruz or Rubio or Walker or Carlson can beat her is just wishful thinking on the part of conservatives. At some point, the GOP has got to sit down and add up the votes of the various possible nominees against her. Something at this point they are unwilling to do. They are having too much fun bashing her. All that is doing is strengthening the resolve of her hard core supporters.
Today Christie gets into the race. It will be interesting to see how he does. He is one of the few republicans that have an outside chance of beating her. And I do see a path for him to get the nomination, but it requires a good deal of luck, a strong showing in New Hampshire and Jeb Bush falling flat on his face. Christie's time may have already come and gone. 2012 was his year. I think he had a good shot(50/50) at beating Obama then. A better shot than he has of beating Hillary. I give him about 35-40% chance of beating Hillary if he can get the nomination.

I give Jeb and Rubio a shot at beating her. I don't see how Christie survives the primaries but I can see a slim but frightenly real chance of Santorum coming out with the nomination. My dream, however, is a Paul / Sanders general election. No matter who wins the country at least gets a long overdue injection of new ideology.

Saratoga_Mike 06-30-2015 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
She at this point about 2/5 because the GOP is unlikely to nominate anyone who can beat her. Thinking that somebody like Cruz or Rubio or Walker or Carlson can beat her is just wishful thinking on the part of conservatives. At some point, the GOP has got to sit down and add up the votes of the various possible nominees against her. Something at this point they are unwilling to do. They are having too much fun bashing her. All that is doing is strengthening the resolve of her hard core supporters.
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Ted Cruz isn't going to be the nominee, so stop dreaming.

Yeah, Rubio isn't a threat...that's why her camp is most worried about him.

Saratoga_Mike 06-30-2015 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
I give Jeb and Rubio a shot at beating her. I don't see how Christie survives the primaries but I can see a slim but frightenly real chance of Santorum coming out with the nomination. My dream, however, is a Paul / Sanders general election. No matter who wins the country at least gets a long overdue injection of new ideology.

Santorum is a good debater, but he won't be the nominee. Chris Christie? He's in the race? What a waste of time. Does he even have supporters anymore?

elysiantraveller 06-30-2015 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
Santorum is a good debater, but he won't be the nominee. Chris Christie? He's in the race? What a waste of time. Does he even have supporters anymore?

Agreed he has been damaged goods with Republicans since Sandy. Should have waited another 4 or 8 if at all.

PaceAdvantage 06-30-2015 02:43 PM

It's so freakin' ridiculous that something like the Obama hug after Sandy or that even more ridiculous lane closure scandal supposedly negates Christie's chances.

Tell me why either of those two things means something beyond fodder for the press and internet chat rooms?

Saratoga Mike has been up Christie's giant ass (less giant now) since the beginning of time...so he should be the first to respond.

Saratoga_Mike 06-30-2015 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
It's so freakin' ridiculous that something like the Obama hug after Sandy or that even more ridiculous lane closure scandal supposedly negates Christie's chances.

Tell me why either of those two things means something beyond fodder for the press and internet chat rooms?

Saratoga Mike has been up Christie's giant ass (less giant now) since the beginning of time...so he should be the first to respond.

Thanks for the recognition - I've been right about CC for a long time. I admit when I'm wrong - I said NY would never elect Hillary as their Senator in 2000 (idiotic call).

It wasn't Sandy and it wasn't the lane closure. He never had a shot.

PaceAdvantage 06-30-2015 03:11 PM

Why?

Saratoga_Mike 06-30-2015 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Why?

1) He isn't presidential. Why would I make such a claim given the bar has been set so low in recent times? There's a certain innate coarseness to him, which serves him well as governor but isn't compatible with what voters want in a president.

2) There's no path to the White House for him. Support in Iowa? No way. Support in NH? A smidge. South Carolina? None. Florida? Yes, some. What does that look like? Right, Rudy's path to the WH (i.e., all-in on Florida).

3) Donors fleeing. Jeb entering the race was not a good thing for CC.

4) Lots of baggage - Romney people vetted him and said "no way" (Halpern).

5) At this point, he wouldn't even carry his own state against Hillary.

JustRalph 06-30-2015 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Why?

2nd amendment problems for one thing

elysiantraveller 06-30-2015 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
It's so freakin' ridiculous that something like the Obama hug after Sandy or that even more ridiculous lane closure scandal supposedly negates Christie's chances.

Ridiculous? Of course it is but it is the GOP we are talking about.

lamboguy 06-30-2015 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by magwell
Chances of her becoming the President ?

the line on the 2016 presidential election is now off the boards at thegreek.com. the democrats were -$185.

i always quote this place because they are taking $50k on one number on united states elections.

magwell 06-30-2015 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by lamboguy
the line on the 2016 presidential election is now off the boards at thegreek.com. the democrats were -$185.

i always quote this place because they are taking $50k on one number on united states elections.

Thanks it seems to me they have the wrong favorite, but I've been wrong a lot lately .....:D

_______ 06-30-2015 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
1) He isn't presidential. Why would I make such a claim given the bar has been set so low in recent times? There's a certain innate coarseness to him, which serves him well as governor but isn't compatible with what voters want in a president.

2) There's no path to the White House for him. Support in Iowa? No way. Support in NH? A smidge. South Carolina? None. Florida? Yes, some. What does that look like? Right, Rudy's path to the WH (i.e., all-in on Florida).

3) Donors fleeing. Jeb entering the race was not a good thing for CC.

4) Lots of baggage - Romney people vetted him and said "no way" (Halpern).

5) At this point, he wouldn't even carry his own state against Hillary.

Good analysis. I would just add that anyone not named Bush or Rubio depending on a win in Florida is up against it.

lamboguy 06-30-2015 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by magwell
Thanks it seems to me they have the wrong favorite, but I've been wrong a lot lately .....:D

according to most on the last election they had the wrong favorite as well, yet when they counted the votes the favorite got the money.

i find election odds more reliable than pollster's.

badcompany 06-30-2015 06:18 PM

I put Hillary's odds at 1-2.

_______ 06-30-2015 06:23 PM

Bovada has DEM -165, REP +135

badcompany 06-30-2015 06:41 PM

There's a saying that there's really only two campaign slogans:

1. It's time for a change.

2. You've never had it so good.

We're not at war, and, while the economy isn't great, it's not that bad. With that said, I'd bet on "2."

magwell 06-30-2015 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by badcompany
I put Hillary's odds at 1-2.

If she wins I'll have to quit politics .....again :lol:

JustRalph 06-30-2015 10:01 PM

She starts with 48% of the vote. It's not a huge leap.

A repub winning is almost an impossibility

Clocker 06-30-2015 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRalph
She starts with 48% of the vote. It's not a huge leap.

That's assuming the Dem base turns out. They didn't in 2014, and the GOP took the Congress.

JustRalph 06-30-2015 10:48 PM

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She has the press. Here's a sample of an email on her private server. Note the expressed relationship with a press member

JustRalph 06-30-2015 10:56 PM

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Try this one too

JustRalph 07-01-2015 01:37 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=91&v=3L5hn5B8TYI

Candidates Cribs!

[YT="who's Crib"]3L5hn5B8TYI[/YT]

davew 07-01-2015 11:13 AM

sportsbook has Hillary at +110
and Democrat at -160


which seems strange as the next Dems listed are
Bernie Sanders +3000
Elizabeth Warren +6000
Joe Biden +7500
Al Gore +10000

Tom 07-01-2015 11:39 AM

I think by the tie enough of her illegal emails get released, enough level-headed democrats (oxymoron?) will be disgusted enough by her to ether not vote or look at repubs. That 48% will fall, IMHO, to under 40.

When reasonable people look at her records, they will have to realize that this is not an honest of good person.

Greyfox 07-01-2015 11:45 AM

Hillary's mishandling of the Benghazi tragedy, before, during, and after it happened should sour anyone on the idea of her becoming President.

Unfortunately, the general public as a whole have short memories and the significance of the Benghazi fiasco has been downplayed.

Clocker 07-01-2015 12:44 PM

From an article titled "Hillary Gump" by Victor David Hanson.

Quote:

The fictional and cinema hero Forrest Gump somehow always managed to turn up at historic moments in the latter twentieth century. But whereas Forrest usually had a positive role to play at the hinges of fate, the equally ubiquitous Hillary Gump usually appeared as a bit player who made things far worse.

Take the issue of government abuse, ethics, and public transparency. The modern locus classicus of government overreach was the Watergate scandal. Over forty years ago Hillary was there as a young legal intern purportedly advising the House Judiciary Committee during the congressional investigations. She was also reportedly let go by her superiors for unethical conduct — quis custodiet ipsos custodes? From Watergate to Travelgate to Filegate to Whitewater to the current quid pro quos of the Clinton Foundation to her recent destruction of private emails and her private server while serving as secretary of State, Hillary Clinton has been at or near lots of government scandals of the last half-century. Twenty years ago Hillary Clinton was brazenly evading federal law by hiding her legal records from a court-ordered subpoena for documents — in the same fashion that in 2015 she destroyed all traces of her email correspondence on her private server, in violation of State Department protocol and most likely federal law.

Full story here:

http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/

JustRalph 07-01-2015 01:14 PM

Manipulating the media and she can't use a fax....... :lol:

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/0...-mother-jones/

Clocker 07-01-2015 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRalph
Manipulating the media and she can't use a fax....... :lol:

She has people for that. And to wait on her every need and whim. One of the released emails:

Quote:

“Pls call Sarah and ask her if she can make me some iced tea,” 30 September 2009

badcompany 07-01-2015 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom
I think by the tie enough of her illegal emails get released, enough level-headed democrats (oxymoron?) will be disgusted enough by her to ether not vote or look at repubs. That 48% will fall, IMHO, to under 40.

When reasonable people look at her records, they will have to realize that this is not an honest of good person.

Unless she has a health issue or somehow gets indicted, she's gonna be the Dem candidate.

If so, the question becomes whether or not one of the 14 and counting prospective Repub candidates can beat her in the general election.

Looking at this OBJECTIVELY, as a Horserace, my money would go on Hillary.

magwell 07-01-2015 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badcompany
Unless she has a health issue or somehow gets indicted, she's gonna be the Dem candidate.

If so, the question becomes whether or not one of the 14 and counting prospective Repub candidates can beat her in the general election.

Looking at this OBJECTIVELY, as a Horserace, my money would go on Hillary.

You explain your opinions on the market in detail with good facts, now can you explain how you make Hillary 1-2 in the same way with facts ?

elysiantraveller 07-01-2015 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by magwell
You explain your opinions on the market in detail with good facts, now can you explain how you make Hillary 1-2 in the same way with facts ?

1) Money

2) Momentum

3) Experience

4) Name recognition

5) Gender

6) Doesn't have a greyhound bus full of challengers to twist her platform into a twizzler.

badcompany 07-01-2015 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magwell
You explain your opinions on the market in detail with good facts, now can you explain how you make Hillary 1-2 in the same way with facts ?

It's an opinion that none of the Republican candidates can beat Hillary in a general election under current conditions.

The younger Republicans lack Hillary's name recognition, Star Power, and are untested on a national stage. The older Candidate, and current front runner, Jeb Bush, excites no one.

The oddsmakers seem to agree with me.

ArlJim78 07-01-2015 07:59 PM

I fully expect granny's max headroom campaign to implode. She is waaay overrated. She'll never become president.

Greyfox 07-01-2015 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
She'll never become president.

Unfortunately, she likely will.


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