Keeneland Synthetic

[Sysonby]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

A lot of it has to do with compromised horses getting past the morning vet checks. Perfectly sound horses don't break down too often, its mostly the ones who have underlying problems....these tracks need to do a better job at not letting the unsound ones race....of course, since its an owners and trainers game and not a tracks or bettors game, its easier said than done.

I couldn't agree more. Many, if not most, horses suffering catastrophic breakdowns have been shown to have pre-existing injuries. The only thing I'm not sure of is whether microfracturing which is a natural part of the conditioning process is being read as a pre-existing injury by the individuals doing the necropsies.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Sysonby

I couldn't agree more. Many, if not most, horses suffering catastrophic breakdowns have been shown to have pre-existing injuries. The only thing I'm not sure of is whether microfracturing which is a natural part of the conditioning process is being read as a pre-existing injury by the individuals doing the necropsies.

Thanks.

Its unfortunate that from a financial aspect that some horses arent 'worth' stopping on for 6 months or a year, its a money losing proposition to nurse a 10k claimer back to health on a long extended break, this is part of the game and as part of the game, they just send them out into battle while not 100 percent. I'm not sure how this part of the game can ever get fixed.

[Valuist]

People forget about the unintended consequences of synthetic racing; a meet like the fall CD meet is mostly unplayable. You have lots of 2 year old races, and most of the runners have only run at Kee, AP and/or TP so they have no real dirt form to go on.

[CincyHorseplayer]

Originally Posted by Valuist

People forget about the unintended consequences of synthetic racing; a meet like the fall CD meet is mostly unplayable. You have lots of 2 year old races, and most of the runners have only run at Kee, AP and/or TP so they have no real dirt form to go on.

Man I could not agree more.I can get picky and find some plays in there but it's a mess and worse,sorting is out is a friggin headache,even to look at those PP's!Other than turf races I don't play Kentucky at all anymore after Ellis during the year.

[proximity]

i'm no fan of synthetic tracks, but i vote no more changes.

you start to get some reliable data for pars and long term track bias and then they want to change the track yet again?? enough.

and why keep digging up a main track that only races six weeks a year and schedules lots of turf races?

[letswastemoney]

I would love for the Breeders' Cup to be on synthetic again.

People say not to worry about the differences between dirt and synthetic when handicapping. Those are the handicappers I avoid like the plague.

Keeneland is too small I hear, but it would be a betting dream if the Breeders' Cup were held at Keeneland or Del Mar.

[Sysonby]

I love handicapping Del Mar especially.

[Valuist]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

People say not to worry about the differences between dirt and synthetic when handicapping. Those are the handicappers I avoid like the plague.

I don't hear handicappers saying that. I hear them saying the difference between dirt and Poly is like night and day.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I would love for the Breeders' Cup to be on synthetic again.

People say not to worry about the differences between dirt and synthetic when handicapping. Those are the handicappers I avoid like the plague.

Keeneland is too small I hear, but it would be a betting dream if the Breeders' Cup were held at Keeneland or Del Mar.

The only automatic throw-outs for the BC at SA on poly were ANY dirt horses. Curlin underlined that fact. Not a single dirt horse won any of the races for four days - all came off poly last out.

[lamboguy]

i heard today that the management at Keeneland wants the horsemen out of the place by May 8 to work on the track to bring back the regular dirt.

[cj]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

i heard today that the management at Keeneland wants the horsemen out of the place by May 8 to work on the track to bring back the regular dirt.

Heard today? Didn't you post the exact same thing at least a week ago?

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by cj

Heard today? Didn't you post the exact same thing at least a week ago?

sorrry i don't think so

[Leparoux]

^^ Is there any truth to that?

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by Leparoux

^^ Is there any truth to that?

i think Keeneland has officially announced today that they are going back to dirt. it sure as hell took them awhile

[duncan04]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

i think Keeneland has officially announced today that they are going back to dirt. it sure as hell took them awhile

They also said that there was a chance to go back to synthetic if the new surface isn't as safe as poly