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Originally Posted by hcap
After googling your time "flows" from the future stuff....I found this.
http://www.angelfire.com/va/sovereig...triunity1.html
E. Charles Heinze wrote "Trinity and Triunity"
Salvation and the Nature of the Godhead
It seems this 1995 copyrighted article might have been a source for your entire 11 part treatise. So just as I thought, there are only other fundamentalists (and no others) who believe the same flawed logic of the future "flowing" towards us instead of the present moving and changing into and towards the future.
How come you did not credit him or at least footnote him along with "The triune concept of time" of Nathan Wood? |
How come? Because I've never heard of the man before. Learn to read.
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Predicting the future is the logical outcome of your theory, not the rest of the world's rational theory that the future has not yet happened. The rest of is can say with confidence "past performance is no guarantee of future results". But according to you and your reverse arrow of time and the outright denial of cause and effect, YOUR clock runs in reverse. That's why I asked you FIRST to predict the outcome of 20 future races. You then simply commandeered my thoughts about the logical ramifications of your view, and because you had no answer to my question of picking outcomes (or UN-BREAKING EGGS), just threw it back at me without thinking.
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Explain how, precisely, "predicting the future is the logical outcome of [my] theory". Explain that to me Why should I be able to predict the future when I have consistently maintained the Future is really
unknown and unknowable. We can never be certain about anything that is in the Future.
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The biggest problem you have is the denial of cause and effect. If the past does not "cause" or form the present and the present does not "cause" or form the future, all of what we believe and how we behave becomes irrelevant and downright irrational.
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That is not a problem. God is the Ultimate Cause of all things, whereas his rational, moral creatures are the Immediate Cause.
It is you who has tremendous problems with your backwards theory! You would have Yesterday flowing into Today or flowing into Tomorrow, if time is streaming at us
FROM the Past!
You second huge problem is that I turned your wonky logic upon your own head as to which one of us should be able to predict the Future. Again, if time is flowing FROM the Past to us, then you should be able know who is going to win all of today's races at TAM and GP, since [b]that which is in the Past is
known or knowable. Again, sir, do you
know what you had for breakfast earlier this morning? Or do you
know what you had for dinner last night? Since both of those time frames are in the Past, you should be able to tell us what you ate on both occasions, and if you can tell us with certainty what you ate in the Past, then why can you not tell us who will win those races today, since that time is also in the Past, coming up on us fast.
You see, you want to have it both ways, which is so typical with you. You want to tell us that Time flows to us out of the Past, completely forgetting that all time in the Past is known or knowable, but then come up with crazy excuses for why you have no knowledge of the outcome of races that will be run later on today. How is it that you can have knowledge of some things in the Past but no knowledge of other things, since ALL things
in the Past are either known or knowable? In fact, your inane theory itself
demands that we have PAST knowledge because according to you, this is the very knowledge that is largely driving our actions for the Future!
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There is then NO reason for you to NOT jump off the top floor of a building, or drink a cup of hemlock.
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Well...maybe not for you...but for me, my Christian/Theistic worldview says otherwise. When a person is born again by the Word of God and his Spirit, his life is no longer his own. From that day
forward he lives and works for his Lord.
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Causality and entropy point to past events preceding present or future events.
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Again, the "degradation of matter" (such as the aging of our bodies, for example) was predestined in eternity.
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Once again you are in your moving car and you mistakenly think the world around you is moving towards you. If that were the case why must you fill your tank before your road trip and not after?
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So that I can move, too, to meet the Future?
Also, do I need to fill up my bicycle with gas to take a road trip?
So, it you who have three insurmountable problems and you need to address these problems and the ramifications I wrote about in my 16806.
1. If Time flows to us out of the Past, we would have Yesterday flowing through the Present to become Today and Today flowing into the Future to become Tomorrow. OR we would have Yesterday flowing into the Future to become Tomorrow and Tomorrow flowing into the Present to become Today. And as pointed out in my 16806 with either path of Time, there are serious problems! In fact, insurmountable ones for you!
You need to tell us in a clear, concise, one sentence statement what precisely is the "arrow of time". You have told us FROM where you think the arrow flies, but you have not told us what the target of the arrow is. Is the ultimate target of the arrow the Present or the Future?
2. Since you think that the source of all Time is the Past, you need to explain to us exactly how did Yesterday ever become that since Yesterday could not have possibly proceeded
from the Future
through the Present? Your theory clearly implies there is no such thing as Yesterday -- unless of course, Time makes a u-turn to return to its source.
You want to talk about the source of time which you say is the Past, but you don't want to tells us how Yesterday became that in the first place, since Yesterday is always coming/flowing toward us. Understand this once and for all: You have Yesterday PRECEDING the Present and the Future. So...how did Yesterday ever BECOME Yesterday?
3. Finally, you need to tell us why you have no knowledge of the outcome of today's races since you have Time flowing to us out of the Past and, therefore, that which is in the Past is known or knowable to us.
Have a nice day.
