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02-01-2011, 01:14 PM
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DimeSupers Really Are!
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Weekday Pool Party @SamHouston?
We Need to get SAM HOUSTON
MONDAY AFTERNOON HANA Pick-3 Pool Parties in February!
With a $.50 Minimum & a 12% Takeout, HANA should be doing handstands
supporting this bet at Sam Houston,who've kept this great low rate for years!
There is absolutely no reason we couldn't double/triple pool size,and re-project
a Positive Vibe for HANA supporting handle, useful during their current
Boycott Battle with Santa Anita. "Everyone into the Pool...the Pool!"
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02-01-2011, 01:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BombsAway Bob
We Need to get SAM HOUSTON
MONDAY AFTERNOON HANA Pick-3 Pool Parties in February!
With a $.50 Minimum & a 12% Takeout, HANA should be doing handstands
supporting this bet at Sam Houston,who've kept this great low rate for years!
There is absolutely no reason we couldn't double/triple pool size,and re-project
a Positive Vibe for HANA supporting handle, useful during their current
Boycott Battle with Santa Anita. "Everyone into the Pool...the Pool!"
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02-01-2011, 01:39 PM
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The pool parties were a ton of work - and I mean a ton. We have to contact people for free PP's, pacefigs, etc and offer out some freebies. We have to contact the track as well and see if they want to cross promote.
Having said that, if anyone at all wants to help, please email info@hanaweb.org. We can see if we can get something going. We would need some leadership and help on it though as it is a big job.
We have always promoted the low take pick threes at TX tracks on the blog and will continue to. But this is a good idea, I think. If we get some emails with help offers we can talk about it and make a plan.
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02-04-2011, 11:42 AM
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We'll see how Big Bob progresses on some of his work, but we'll prolly post up some news each Monday about the pick 3 on the blog. Maybe we can get a freebie or some software analysis each Monday. We'll see what we can do.
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02-04-2011, 12:15 PM
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So no pool party because it's too much work?
If HANA is not in the business of doing whatever's necessary to promote a wager being offered for a low takeout and low minimum, then what are you guys doing? The original poster in this thread suggested the idea, which has been done in the past and he's met with resistance from a representative from the organization?
I just don't get it.
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02-04-2011, 12:25 PM
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NTamm,
Glad to see you have reasonable expectations of a volunteer organization.
Bob is taking the ball and running with it, contacting TVG etc and we are going to offer support the best way we can.
It takes people to enact ideas they have to make this go, and Bob has taken on the challenge. We're with him. I hope you are too.
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02-04-2011, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DeanT
NTamm,
Glad to see you have reasonable expectations of a volunteer organization.
Bob is taking the ball and running with it, contacting TVG etc and we are going to offer support the best way we can.
It takes people to enact ideas they have to make this go, and Bob has taken on the challenge. We're with him. I hope you are too.
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Everything in racing is voluntary. If the excuse that you guys are just a bunch of volunteers was going to be employed every time someone asked you about something then you shouldn't have formed the organization.
I think the difference in opinion we have stems from the fact that I think HANA should be as pro-active as they are re-active. Replying with "oh, these are so much work, etc." is just very arrogant and standoffish to me. I'm sure it took very little time to organize the CA boycott and get word out to everyone on your distribution list. Now, the last two times someone on this board has asked a question about something HANA should take great interest in, they've been asked what THEY were doing about it? Is that how it's supposed to work?
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02-04-2011, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
"replying these are so much work, etc." is just very arrogant and standoffish to me.
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I certainly did not mean it that way. I said it because it's the truth. We have a list of suggestions a mile long. If we got to all of them (and some of them are very good suggestions) we would need a full time staff. We have about 30-60 man hours a week to give with the people we have pitching in. If someone wants to offer help, like Bob did, we can hopefully work on making things work, but too much else is simply unachievable.
The previous Pool Parties were good because a couple of members (two of the people who wanted to take ownership of the idea) helped out with blog posts, emails, updates on pace and all the chat boards, a Yahoo email list, media and track contacts, contacting and uploading thorograph sheets, PPs, CJs pace figs etc etc. If we can get that synergy again, it can be a success.
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02-04-2011, 01:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Everything in racing is voluntary. If the excuse that you guys are just a bunch of volunteers was going to be employed every time someone asked you about something then you shouldn't have formed the organization.
I think the difference in opinion we have stems from the fact that I think HANA should be as pro-active as they are re-active. Replying with "oh, these are so much work, etc." is just very arrogant and standoffish to me. I'm sure it took very little time to organize the CA boycott and get word out to everyone on your distribution list. Now, the last two times someone on this board has asked a question about something HANA should take great interest in, they've been asked what THEY were doing about it? Is that how it's supposed to work?
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Why don't you take over the task?You obviously have the interest and energy for it.Instead of finger wagging step up to the plate and make something happen.
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02-04-2011, 10:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215
If the excuse that you guys are just a bunch of volunteers was going to be employed every time someone asked you about something then you shouldn't have formed the organization.
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Bob didn't "ask" about something. He suggested DOING something. Enormous difference, wouldn't you say? (Well, perhaps someone such as yourself ... who specializes in demanding that others do things for him ... shouldn't be expected to understand.)
And who in hell are YOU, exactly, to tell anyone why they should or shouldn't do anything? Did YOU put any time or effort into getting HANA started ... or to helping HANA rise to its current prominence? My money's on YOU routinely leaving that sort of annoyance to other people to do.
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I think HANA should be as pro-active as they are re-active.
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I think YOU should try being pro-active regarding HANA activities. Why don't YOU volunteer some time, instead of just bitching that others don't volunteer enough time in your behalf.
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02-04-2011, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelso
Bob didn't "ask" about something. He suggested DOING something. Enormous difference, wouldn't you say? (Well, perhaps someone such as yourself ... who specializes in demanding that others do things for him ... shouldn't be expected to understand.)
And who in hell are YOU, exactly, to tell anyone why they should or shouldn't do anything? Did YOU put any time or effort into getting HANA started ... or to helping HANA rise to its current prominence? My money's on YOU routinely leaving that sort of annoyance to other people to do.
I think YOU should try being pro-active regarding HANA activities. Why don't YOU volunteer some time, instead of just bitching that others don't volunteer enough time in your behalf.
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You're right, Bob did suggest something. Take a look at the response he received. That was the whole point of me making a comment.
I didn't engage you in making any comments on here. I asked a question of DeanT, he responded to it, but then you and the poster before you did what has become so rampant on this site, which is to personally attack anyone who might have the audacity to not genuflect at the sight of HANA.
Don't profess to know who I am, what I do, or anything of the sort. As far as I'm concerned, no effort on behalf of anyone from HANA has been done to arrange a pool party for Sam Houston. There were extensive quotes from the president of HANA regarding the success of the boycott of CA tracks in a recent Bloodhorse article. Wouldn't it be nice to complement that with the potential success of a pool party at a track that is doing the things that earn high marks in the HANA Track Ratings? Should the strength of a horseplayer's organization solely be measured in what it can do in a negative way? I guess I think the answer to that question is no, but I'm probably foolish to say that at risk of getting another lecture from the HANA counsel.
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02-04-2011, 11:31 PM
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Question from a newbie on this board. What exactly is a pool party?
thx,
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02-05-2011, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by FiveWide
Question from a newbie on this board. What exactly is a pool party?
thx,
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Getting together and betting a race per week or every two weeks. It started on a conference call with HANA in February of 2009. After a month or so of lining up the industry behind the idea, the first one was at Wil Rogers Downs.
Dana from Hello Race Fans called it a Pool Party and that was the name that stuck.
http://blog.horseplayersassociation....into-pool.html
There were dozens of blog posts, media contacts and stories about it. I think the seven or eight of them must have drawn about $200,000 + in handle for the tracks that were chosen.
HANA members Mike and Ross were the directors of it along with the board and after several months their lives got in the way. They did a hell of a job though; many hours per week working away at it. It was fun.
Monday will not be a Pool Party of course, but a Bombs Away Monday at Sam Houston. Jeff Platt will be Monday's guest handicapper on the blog for the card. Bob I assume will be working it on Twitter.
So if you are interested, download the card for Monday!
Last edited by DeanT; 02-05-2011 at 12:38 AM.
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02-05-2011, 01:07 AM
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DimeSupers Really Are!
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BOMBS AWAY! with the Best Value in Racing:
SAM HOUSTON's Rolling Pick-3's with a
$.50 Minimum & Super-Low 12% Takeout!
i'm asking ALL HORSEPLAYERS that are
making bets on Monday Afternoons in February
to "JUMP INTO THE POOL... THE PICK-3 POOL!"
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SAM HOUSTON 12% takeout: means Pick-3's pay an extra
$10-$14 on EVERY $100 Won than at ANY other racerack!
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02-05-2011, 09:02 AM
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While 12% on pick 3s is a good deal, the rest of their takeouts border on the obscene. 18% W-P-S, 21% doubles and exactas, 25% supras and Pick 4s. Just a word of caution. I sometimes bet them on mondays, but I don't kid myself into thinking I am getting a great deal.
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