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Old 01-23-2018, 01:35 PM   #316
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The polar ice caps are not the only thing melting down!
I have battled youse guys on a dozen threads about climate change.

Not quite a "meltdown" More like a boredom-down.

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Old 01-23-2018, 01:42 PM   #317
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who names their kid Rand?

A lot of possibilities for that inspiration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand

Paul's actual first name is Randall (like PA's very own Replay Randall)
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Old 01-23-2018, 04:53 PM   #318
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A Message of Doom and Gloom

Ladies and Gentlemen of this Forum, we are doomed! We are without hope. For we are cursed if we don't and cursed if we do! Read and Weep!

Cleaning Up Air Pollution May Strengthen Global Warming

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...lobal-warming/

And,

A Cheap and Easy Plan to Stop Global Warming

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/5...lobal-warming/

What a horrible Catch-22 Dilemma we're in. Should we eliminate global warming and opt for global cooling instead? Or should we clean up the air pollution and increase global warming? A real hand-wringing situation to be sure.
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I have battled youse guys on a dozen threads about climate change.

Not quite a "meltdown" More like a boredom-down.

Good luck to the 2 Bens
You have not given any proof to back up your arguments and seem to change the subject often when facts are thrown in your face to refute the science fiction you believe in. A few things you have not answered.

What happened to the ice age that your kind predicted in the 70's?

What has your doomsday predicting hero Stephen Hawking invented, discovered or even predicted a far fetched theory that has came true?

I will wait for your answer. What I find comical is the more educated people are in scientific theory the less condescending they are toward people that don't believe in their theory and projections.

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Old 03-07-2018, 02:13 PM   #320
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You have not given any proof to back up your arguments and seem to change the subject often when facts are thrown in your face to refute the science fiction you believe in. A few things you have not answered.

What happened to the ice age that your kind predicted in the 70's?

What has your doomsday predicting hero Stephen Hawking invented, discovered or even predicted a far fetched theory that has came true?

I will wait for your answer. What I find comical is the more educated people are in scientific theory the less condescending they are toward people that don't believe in their theory and projections.
Who needs proof when you are a dim, you just have to say it enough times so other dims repeat it and after awhile it is 'truth'.

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Old 03-07-2018, 05:55 PM   #321
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You have not given any proof to back up your arguments and seem to change the subject often when facts are thrown in your face to refute the science fiction you believe in. A few things you have not answered.

What happened to the ice age that your kind predicted in the 70's?
This site gives a concise explanation of the ice-age climate myth that circulated in the 70's. https://www.skepticalscience.com/ice...s-in-1970s.htm

An interesting aside. The scientist who pushed the coming ice age 40 years ago admitted his error and became a convert to theories of global warming. Sometimes scientists are wrong.

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What has your doomsday predicting hero Stephen Hawking invented, discovered or even predicted a far fetched theory that has came true?
Hawking is a theoretical physicist, much like Einstein was. When Einstein published his theories of relativity he had not proven each one. For example, Einstein's theory of general relativity predicted that the space-time around Earth would be not only warped but also twisted by the planet's rotation. Gravity Probe B (launched in 2004) showed this to be correct. Took a long time to prove them to be true.

Like Einstein, Hawking was more interested in theoretical physics. Hawking has made significant contributions in cosmology and astronomy. For example,

"In 1970 Hawking proved the first of many singularity theorems. This theorem provided a set of sufficient conditions for the existence of a singularity in space-time, and also implied that space and time would indeed have had a beginning in a Big Bang event, and would end in black holes. In effect, he had reversed Penrose's idea that the creation of a black hole would necessarily lead to a singularity, proving that it was a singularity that led to the creation of the universe itself."

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I will wait for your answer. What I find comical is the more educated people are in scientific theory the less condescending they are toward people that don't believe in their theory and projections.
I would say, the more you know the greater your chances of coming up with the right theory.
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Old 03-07-2018, 06:09 PM   #322
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Who needs proof when you are a dim, you just have to say it enough times so other dims repeat it and after awhile it is 'truth'.
You might want to find a more authoritative person.

"Rod Martin, Jr. is not just a "climate hoax" conspiracy theorist, he's a 9/11-truther too. His expertise in climate science is apparently based on him writing science fiction and graduating summa cum laude in his bachelor's degree in computer information technology (from goodness knows where). His website has evidence that he's not an expert in anything, let alone climate science."
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seems the polar bears are doing quite well after all. Susan Crockford is a polar bear expert.

http://business.financialpost.com/op...g-theyre-dying
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Old 03-07-2018, 09:12 PM   #324
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seems the polar bears are doing quite well after all. Susan Crockford is a polar bear expert.

http://business.financialpost.com/op...g-theyre-dying
Yeah the polar bear was really a poor example to use for Global Warming.
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Old 03-07-2018, 09:21 PM   #325
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Yeah the polar bear was really a poor example to use for Global Warming.
Dishonest as well. The photo of the polar bear adrift on an ice flow was a photo shop in support of the meme. Polar bears in decline was never true, and the people at the money trough knew it. Here's how I make decisions about things. If you have to lie and cheat to make your scientific argument look and sound better, then you likely don't have the winning argument. PR gambits should not be a part of science.
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Dishonest as well. The photo of the polar bear adrift on an ice flow was a photo shop in support of the meme. Polar bears in decline was never true, and the people at the money trough knew it. Here's how I make decisions about things. If you have to lie and cheat to make your scientific argument look and sound better, then you likely don't have the winning argument. PR gambits should not be a part of science.
Meh everyone does it in the world of politics. Climatologists don't use the polar bear as proof. I don't deny climate change is occurring and find it foolish to think we have no involvement in it.

It's just also stupid to select a highly intelligent and adaptive apex predator as your standard bearer for the argument.
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Seems like the fruit loops in CA are starting another crusade in the courts. I wonder how long it will take reasonable judges to overturn this?

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nati...203842084.html
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Welcome to the age of agenda-based science.

It functions pretty much like a survey, which is often (usually?) based upon one's political leanings.

(This is "anecdotally speaking" because I have no proof and understand that there is a difference between "fact" and "opinion." This would be my opinion.)


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I just wish this stupid global warming would quit pissing around and get here already. I won't have to winter in AZ then. They promise all this BS and then can't deliver. If I recall we were all going to be dead by now and we haven't even had a decent winter yet. jackasses.
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