Student of human moves. Trainer or jockey 'tells'

[Imriledup]

Do we think there's anyone out there who is at the paddock every day at his or her hometown racetrack and makes detailed notes on trainers and or jockey's 'tells'? There are probably a bunch of really talented poker players who are really good at 'reading' the human connections in the paddock. I know some people like to bet on a trainers horse if he's wearing a suit (for the winners circle picture) but i'm wondering if anyone goes deeper than this?

I remember back in the day some of my buddies would follow a certain trainers wife to the window and stand behind her and listen to the bets.

Any 'students of human moves' out there?

[supercap]

Originally Posted by Imriledup

Do we think there's anyone out there who is at the paddock every day at his or her hometown racetrack and makes detailed notes on trainers and or jockey's 'tells'? There are probably a bunch of really talented poker players who are really good at 'reading' the human connections in the paddock. I know some people like to bet on a trainers horse if he's wearing a suit (for the winners circle picture) but i'm wondering if anyone goes deeper than this?

I remember back in the day some of my buddies would follow a certain trainers wife to the window and stand behind her and listen to the bets.

Any 'students of human moves' out there?

Trainers think they are gonna win every time out! At least that is what they tell us as owners. I give them credit though they have excuses up the wazooo if they dont win.

[GaryG]

Originally Posted by supercap

Trainers think they are gonna win every time out! At least that is what they tell us as owners. I give them credit though they have excuses up the wazooo if they dont win.

From my experience trainers look at their horses the way fathers look at their sons playing in Little League. Better to spend your time learning the game. Horses are a long way from poker.

[BELMONT 6-6-09]

Joe Tachach wrote about these trainer nuances on his web site under predatory handicapping.


http://joe-tachach.com

[BELMONT 6-6-09]

sorry correction

http://www.joe-takach.com

[tholl]

Originally Posted by supercap

Trainers think they are gonna win every time out! At least that is what they tell us as owners. I give them credit though they have excuses up the wazooo if they dont win.

If you've been in and around horseraceing as you try to lead everyone here to believe you wouuld know that statement is total BS

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by tholl

If you've been in and around horseraceing as you try to lead everyone here to believe you wouuld know that statement is total BS

No, it's not even close to total BS. What it is is an intentional exageration of something that is basically true. In every race there are at least a handful of trainers that think they are going to win.

[tholl]

Originally Posted by the little guy

No, it's not even close to total BS. What it is is an intentional exageration of something that is basically true. In every race there are at least a handful of trainers that think they are going to win.

Okay, not total BS, it's an exaggeration of maybe 300%.

[DanG]

Doesn’t prove anything one way or another; but it reminds me of one of someone.

Our family’s first restaurant in Margate Florida had a chef who loved horseracing. We went to Calder many times with him and the first time he told us of a “tell” at Calder on Fred Warren. “Every time Fred where’s a suit he’s going for the money.”

Bless Al; I love the guy, but if he was any higher then a .15 cent ROI with that information I would be surprised.

PS: I wonder if Karl ever heard of the Men’s Warehouse / Freddy Warren angle?

[jballscalls]

Junior Coffey who trains at Emerald Downs won an NFL Championship with the Packers, and when he has that Championship Ring on in the paddock, go to the window, cause Junior is getting his picture taken!!

[juanepstein]

usually if the trainers wife is dolled up then theres a chance.

but telling the physical condition of the horse is your best chance.

[slewis]

Originally Posted by the little guy

No, it's not even close to total BS. What it is is an intentional exageration of something that is basically true. In every race there are at least a handful of trainers that think they are going to win.

You are 100% correct....... I dont even want to hear their bull shit before a race. I'm more interested if they tell me this horse ain't right....

[BeatTheChalk]

Originally Posted by Imriledup

Do we think there's anyone out there who is at the paddock every day at his or her hometown racetrack and makes detailed notes on trainers and or jockey's 'tells'? There are probably a bunch of really talented poker players who are really good at 'reading' the human connections in the paddock. I know some people like to bet on a trainers horse if he's wearing a suit (for the winners circle picture) but i'm wondering if anyone goes deeper than this?

I remember back in the day some of my buddies would follow a certain trainers wife to the window and stand behind her and listen to the bets.

Any 'students of human moves' out there?

First hand knowledge of brother Jack Van Berg. In the glory days..
Alysheba et al .. I had the chance to meet him. He was training a
horse called " Din's Dancer." My friend's kids owned the horse .

At any rate .. when Jack wore a coat and tie .. he was ..absolutely
positively ready to get his picture taken. OH ok ..One time Jack wore
a coat and tie .. and knew he was NOT gonna win. ..

That would be the Kentucky Derby -- when the Dancer ran and did
not win ( duh ) Here is his pedigree for those who follow such things
http://www.pedigreequery.com/dins+dancer

[supercap]

Originally Posted by tholl

If you've been in and around horseraceing as you try to lead everyone here to believe you wouuld know that statement is total BS

I really could care less what you believe !. And for you not to know trainers believe they are going to win everytime ,just shows how ignorant you are to the game. Is owning a horse that big a deal to you? Sorry for hitting a sore note , keep saving your sheckles maybe one day you to can own a horse !!!

[rjorio]

I had a friend , who owned pieces of several horses in NY, who only half kiddingly told me his trainer treated him like a mushroom,fed him manure and always kept him in the dark.