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06-20-2008, 01:37 AM
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Curlin....Top 100 of All Time?
Very interesting article from Jon White.
He ranks his "top 100" of all time and asks where Curlin belongs.
http://www.xpressbet.com/columns.asp...uthor=JonWhite
Curlin reminds me so much of Skip Away.
A couple of things about this list though. I've looked at it a number of times and I can't find Ghostzapper. No Ghostzapper?
Another horse who never gets any respect is Awesome Again.
He's got Silver Charm at #63 & Lure at #85. While they were both super-nice horses, Ghostzapper and Awesome Again were faster and more versatile.
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06-20-2008, 03:00 AM
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PA Steward
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Holy Bull only #64? Oh, how people forget.... 
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06-20-2008, 03:26 AM
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Double Secret Probation
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Forego #8
Forego was a nice horse who carried the "stove" many times, but to have him ahead of the Bid, Seattle Slew Affirmed and Cigar is a bit of a stretch.
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06-20-2008, 07:15 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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I put Forego in the top 10 easily. He did it year after year the hard way - from waaaaaay back.
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06-20-2008, 07:24 AM
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I think Kelso is too high, but I never saw him run. I suspect he was one of those horses whose ocassional peak races left an impression that enhanced his reputation beyond his typical level of performance.
Forego probably belongs in the top 10 if you believe in the standard weight formulas. If not, he belongs in the top 20 anyway. I can't rank him ahead of Slew or Bid though. Something is not right somewhere.
Last edited by classhandicapper; 06-20-2008 at 07:27 AM.
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06-20-2008, 09:58 AM
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I hate any type of rankings for athletes and or horses...
Curlin is on the cusp of being an all-time great though...What number? Thats for the pundits.
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06-20-2008, 10:01 AM
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My biggest gripe with that list is cigar over alydar? Not on this planet
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06-20-2008, 10:05 AM
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Location: New York
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Holy Bull only #64? Oh, how people forget.... |
The entire "top 100" is tainted due to that... Silver Charm was better than the Bull???? 
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06-20-2008, 11:41 AM
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I think Invasor is still the most underrated of the last 15 years.
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06-20-2008, 12:24 PM
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Why
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Originally Posted by Stevie Belmont
I hate any type of rankings for athletes and or horses...
Curlin is on the cusp of being an all-time great though...What number? Thats for the pundits.
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Why, Stevie, Why???
How can you HATE this kind of stuff? You got one guy saying Kelso is too high on the list, but he never saw him run. Another guy who thinks a horse that ran second in all three triple crown races is better than a horse that won 19 in-a-row. Finally, RobinFromIreland (Denis of Cork's cousin) feels Invasor should crack the top 100.
No disrespect to anybody's opinion. I just love this sort of stuff.
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06-20-2008, 12:47 PM
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Handicapping
Join Date: Sep 2007
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I think lava man should be on that list?
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06-20-2008, 12:58 PM
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velocitician
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Periodically I hear this non-historical perspective malarkey.
BEST of ALL TIME list fail to even consider these: Domino, Sysonby, Tom Fool, Buckpasser, Ten Brock, Khaled, Grey Lag, Gallant Man, Sword Dancer, John P. Grier, Exterminator, Busher, Bull Lea, Cicada, Black Toney, Broomstick, Bimelech, Davona Dale, the undefeated Colin, Coaltown etc. etc.
There is no historical perspective to any list like this.
Have this one do well in the Arc and he can be discussed amongst the best of all time. He is heading that way, but has not arrived yet.
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06-20-2008, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 46zilzal
Periodically I hear this non-historical perspective malarkey.
BEST of ALL TIME list fail to even consider these: Domino, Sysonby, Tom Fool, Buckpasser, Ten Brock, Khaled, Grey Lag, Gallant Man, Sword Dancer, John P. Grier, Exterminator, Busher, Bull Lea, Cicada, Black Toney, Broomstick, Bimelech, Davona Dale, the undefeated Colin, Coaltown etc. etc.
There is no historical perspective to any list like this.
Have this one do well in the Arc and he can be discussed amongst the best of all time. He is heading that way, but has not arrived yet.
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Zil, my post was about Jon White's article that I attached.
Several of these are on his list.
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06-20-2008, 01:29 PM
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velocitician
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Originally Posted by tribecaagent
Zil, my post was about Jon White's article that I attached.
Several of these are on his list.
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I continually get a "hoot" out of folks who think greatness is the strict domain of the last half of the twentieth century that's all.
Eclipse: never beaten.
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06-20-2008, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
I think Kelso is too high, but I never saw him run. I suspect he was one of those horses whose ocassional peak races left an impression that enhanced his reputation beyond his typical level of performance.
Forego probably belongs in the top 10 if you believe in the standard weight formulas. If not, he belongs in the top 20 anyway. I can't rank him ahead of Slew or Bid though. Something is not right somewhere.
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Kelso was retired just as I came into this game, but his name and exploits was plastered everywhere on the New York racing scene because at the time it was Kelso and Buckpasser who ruled supreme in New York with the two soon to be greats in Damascus and Dr. Fager waiting to take their places.
If you didn’t see Kelso, you should have because there is not a top ten list of great racehorses of any time or anyplace that he should be left off.
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