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11-29-2014, 03:42 PM
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Interesting how no other owner dipped in for a perfectly sound warrior who just showed a strong 2nd for 40k. He certainly must have been worth 20, no? Knowing Jacobson's history of not running them unless they're sound should have been enough for other connections to dip in...very surprising. 
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11-29-2014, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cutchemist42
People like him really make it hard to enjoy the NYRA circuit.
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People like him make it hard to feel good about being part of the human race.
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11-29-2014, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
He's usually better than this, he usually puts his broken down horses on a van and sends them to minor tracks to end their lives, i guess dumping grounds Monmouth and Suffolk aren't running now so what was he to do?
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MP a dumping ground? You meant Finger lakes and Mountaineer right?
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11-29-2014, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by onefast99
MP a dumping ground? You meant Finger lakes and Mountaineer right?
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No, DJ doesn't ship to Mountaineer. He also ships to the Maryland circuit.
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12-08-2014, 02:37 AM
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Tomorrow's first race at Parx, Awakino Cat, Claimed BY Jacobson for 10k after being eased/DNF for 50k. Ran flat for 10, Jacobson ships him to Parx for a nickel and he wins and is claimed.
I'm interested to know why Jacobson would claim a horse dropping from 50 to 10 off an eased performance. Had no problem putting this horse on a van and driving him to Philly to run him for half the price.
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12-08-2014, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
Tomorrow's first race at Parx, Awakino Cat, Claimed BY Jacobson for 10k after being eased/DNF for 50k. Ran flat for 10, Jacobson ships him to Parx for a nickel and he wins and is claimed.
I'm interested to know why Jacobson would claim a horse dropping from 50 to 10 off an eased performance. Had no problem putting this horse on a van and driving him to Philly to run him for half the price.
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He had a horse (Social Saul) in the race where he claimed Awakino Cat. He handicapped the race and was well aware of Awakino Cat (who happened to be 3rd choice in that race), and he believed the horse was worth more than $10K.
He was betting that he could do more with the 9yo 600K winner than Contessa, and he judged that in spite of the 'eased and drop' on paper, that the horse was relatively sound and that Contessa was finally returning the horse nearer it's proper competitive level.
Then 34 days later he went to Parx for the NW1/6MX $7.8K-winner's share. He made a few bucks, but basically got his money back.
Wasn't the world's biggest business move. But it was a business move.
Now, if Jacobson had guessed wrong, and Contessa hadn't been simply returning the horse to it's proper class, and then Awakino had broken down @ Parx or something, then we'd see/hear negative internet posts and public opinion regarding David Jacobson.
Additional costs and conscience when dealing with that part of the claiming game.
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12-08-2014, 10:41 AM
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I read once that some of these type of horses have a physically notable problem that looks bad but may or may not be as bad as it looks. Once they get going, they get run over and over, raking in the cash with the trainer plays "Beat Me Or Buy Me", until it gets claimed and/or it can't continue doing well Sometimes those physical conditions get refered to as a "License To Steal". And yes, sometimes they make their money off the horse, and decide to get out while the getting is good. But I still don't like what that does to the horses, their health and futures. Horses get taken advantage of far worse than some of us working schlubs. They wake money for somebody, then get claimed and need to make money for somebody else, it continues on, until the last group can't make money for anyone any more, and then how is the horse and his physical condition, and where does it go and what does it do? The old, "Oh Yeah, well, what have You done for Me?"
Last edited by Steve 'StatMan'; 12-08-2014 at 10:43 AM.
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12-08-2014, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
Did anybody claim the horse?
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Originally Posted by cj
No.
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Actually, Cherokee Artist was indeed claimed by Peter Chin in a two-way shake, but it was voided after the injury.
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12-08-2014, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by FantasticDan
Actually, Cherokee Artist was indeed claimed by Peter Chin in a two-way shake, but it was voided after the injury.
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Ah, thanks for the info. I forgot that rule was in place.
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12-08-2014, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
Ah, thanks for the info. I forgot that rule was in place.
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It's too bad they can't work the claim/void into the final chart. I only knew about it after it was tweeted in real time.
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12-08-2014, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FantasticDan
It's too bad they can't work the claim/void into the final chart. I only knew about it after it was tweeted in real time.
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I agree, equibase just "Deletes" the claiming info after the void, not sure why the haste to delete, just add "claim voided" and leave the original info in place.
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01-01-2015, 12:49 PM
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01-01-2015, 02:41 PM
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It's too bad they can't work the claim/void into the final chart. I only knew about it after it was tweeted in real time.
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They could.
It could be there TODAY if anyone really gave a crap about it.
No one does.
This ain't rocket science, but to some, it might as well be.
It is only racing, after all, not a real business.
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01-01-2015, 02:55 PM
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The more information the better, but I thought the rule - NYRA at least - was the claim was void if the horse died on the track or was voidable by the claimant if the horse was vanned off the track. Obviously the first scenario isn't relevant to a bettor. In the latter case, as long as Equibase notes "vanned off," is anything gained by knowing someone voided a claim after the happened? Maybe it tells the bettor that the injury was really, really serious? No downside to providing the info, just not sure it's all that valuable, but who knows.
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01-02-2015, 01:19 AM
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Thank you for sharing this. You should start a new thread. Help ban Jacobson or something close so it gets more views.
Good job finding this SRU!
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