Premier Turf Club

As of today, Premier Turf Club will no longer be permitted to accept wagers on Woodbine races. PTC inadvertently allowed an Ontario resident, Sanny Lee to place a $1 wager on a Woodbine event yesterday. We believe this wager was placed as a result of a hub error, as Ontario residents should not have been permitted access to the Woodbine pools.


While we respect WEG’s decision, we at Premier Turf Club firmly believe in open access of all signals to residents of all countries where internet wagering is permitted. We are naturally quite disappointed that WEG believes all Canadian residents must play only through the Canadian ADW. We feel this lack of choice works against race tracks, horsemen and horse players alike. Further we strongly disagree as to the characterization of this mistake as an “event that undermines the integrity of the game”, and are disappointed at the level of rhetoric WEG chose to use.


We apologize for any inconvenience to our customers and to WEG.

prospector

strong rhetoric for a $1 bet...

pressure from others? or more of the same "my track is important" crap..i won't miss them, nor will i bet them thru my brisbet account..somethings not right here..of course, all canadians can still join pinnacle and bet thru them with no benefit going to the track...if ya gotta bet them, do it thru pinnacle..

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cj

Somehow I think you will survive this tragic loss.

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melman

Ian the ENTIRE racing industry should be taking LESSONS from you on how to run an operation. Instead they worry about a $1.00 bet. Stick with it Ian the real PLAYERS are behind you and your operation.

parlay

Don't fret Ian.
WEG are the most backward thinking bunch of inbred
assholes you will ever run into.
Slots have been extremely succesful at Woodbine and
yet sky high takeouts remain.
Yes the Standardbred horseman and breeders are getting well paid persevering with a DEAD GAME, all on the backs of the players. More specifically the thoroughbred players.
The thoroughbred players who will not benefit one
percentage point from the LAUREL experiment.

Cangamble

WEG doesn't give a crap about their customers. As predicted, they didn't take Laurel today and probably won't for the entire 10 day meet.
They also jacked up the takeout on Ellis Park win 4's to 25 or 28% (whatever their scam number is).
WEG's mentality is a detriment to horse racing and the players.
They won't get another dime from me after making such strong statement against PTC.

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Still today, Woodbine has one of the highest takeouts in all of North America, including a takeout on triactors of 27.0%

HorseRun

sounds like to me, you were "set up".....who the hell makes a $1 bet and how the hell did Woodbine know that this guy was from Ontario

Indulto

GBG,
Counting on your fingers, were you?
Wasn't Woodbine, at one time if not now, part of Empire Racing Associates or FONYR along with MEC and CDI?PTC,
Could you be more specific as it seems to me that both your software and the Tote company's software should be checking this. What precautions are taken to ensure players are actually residents of where they say they are and do they have to be betting from within that state/province/country to meet the conditions of your contracts?

Hopefully, people will see this for what it appears to be

Premier Turf Club

Sean Pinsonneault of Woodbine Entertainment Group twice applied for accounts in his own name, the first time within two weeks of signing the simulcast contract, the second about one month later using his email address at Woodbine. Our customer service center declined them citing unverifiable information. Mr. Lee applied for an account 2 weeks ago and had never funded his account so it wasn't listed as a "live" account on our internal databse. He was able to wager using the "lucky" $1 we place in every new customer's account as a sign of goodwill.

DJofSD

Suff, are you using a different handle now?

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Premier Turf Club

All state lockouts have to be done on the tote end. We can't control that with our software, it's where every ADW does it.

As far as verifying residency, we subscribe to a verification service www.verificationbureau.com. Every account application is run against this database to verify SS#, age, residency as well as screen for anyone on the OFAC terror list. If we can't match the information, we don't open the account. As far as where they actually bet from, we have strict rules in our Terms & Conditions about possible criminal penalties from placing wagers from racetrack facilities or states where it is illegal. We do our utmost to make sure people comply, but of course I'm sure there are people that agree to comply with the account wagering terms but do not always. Every ADW has the same limitation. We try our best, but things happen sometimes.

HorseRun

well who cares about those dirty bastards at Woodbine, but you may want to get rid of that $1 Welcome, as no offense its not much of a Welcome and that $1 that you welcomed that jackasses account with, cost you the contract

finfan

Why did WEG even sign the contract in the first place if they were hellbent on nullifying it??? It's either childish, moronic, assinine, idiotic, immature or all the above.

Ian, were negotiations normal with these clowns? Did you have any indication they would pull this garbage?

Premier Turf Club

Well if you'd consider the fact that we begged to take the signal and the rate they charged meant we made literally nothing on WPS and they berated me on the phone about the evils of rebating, yeah I guess that should have been a tip off. Certainly the fact that Mr. Pinsonneault kept applying for accounts in his name using his Woodbine e-mail address seemed odd. Honest to God, we took it as an accomodation for our players. I thought they might like the racing.

Again, we already apologized for the screw-up. There seem to be a lot in the industry that are looking for anything at all to discredit us. What's that about no good deed going unpunished...