NYRA Stewards BLOW it big time

[Tom]

Sar R7....4-5 fav clearly breaks through the gate early, Johnny I calls it real time. FOX team all over it.

Stewards - if they were actually on track - do nothing. No inquiry sign, no announcement, no action. Results stand.

I guess everyone snuck out early, it being Friday.
Stewards shit on a lot of people today.
Someone needs to be fired.
Someone needs to be re-assigned to Finger Lakes.

[Copyroomjim]

Agree, absolute travesty which really screwed the owners of the 3-4-5 place horses which should have been moved up with a increase in purse money. Anyone have any clue or guess, other than incompetence, as why there wasn't a "no starter" call by the stewards?

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[Robert Fischer]

In live action it looks a bad no-call.

Surprisingly, with the video provided on the Pan shot on NYRA and Youtube, - I'm not able to find a frame where the fractious horse's gate is opened, and where the field's gate is closed.

I can easily find frames where the fractious horse's gate is opened and the field's is only partially opened.

It's very close.

Maybe the head on, or a pan view with a greater frame rate will show it definitively?

Maybe it wasn't early an just an illusion. It doesn't even seem close in live action, but it is certainly close.

Edit - I haven't looked at the rule, to see whether it matters that the field's gate is beginning to open when a horse breaks the gates wide open

[myohmyjustify]

I posted this earlier soon after the race in another thread.

Another wrong and crap call by NYRA stewards in today's 7th race at Saratoga.

The 4-5 favorite Make Mischief breaks thru the gate a nano second before the gates open, finished second but it not declared a non-starter.

How come nothing was done, not even an inquiry to look things over? I say incompetence because the NYRA stewards (and other places sad to say) are what they are AND they often seem to be too stupid to know better.

Bottom line: the bettor be damned as well. Of course.

[Robert Fischer]

looks like it doesn't matter how the rule was written

broke through gate early;

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[v j stauffer]

I haven't heard the Stewards official explanation. However, I would guess they ruled gained no real or tactical advantage as a result of the break. No other horses were bothered and she appeared to be ADVERSELY affected as she dropped back to last for a few strides before rushing up on the outside.

For a horse to be declared a non starter as a result of a gate incident. There must be clear evidence of physical human mistake (holding on to the bridle too long for example) OR mechanical failure which there wasn't. The gate operated correctly and didn't malfunction.

The entire idea is for the Stewards to try and rule what was most equitable for all.

It seems to me they did that.

[jay68802]

[QUOTE=v j stauffer;2749827]I haven't heard the Stewards official explanation. However, I would guess they ruled gained no real or tactical advantage as a result of the break. No other horses were bothered and she appeared to be ADVERSELY affected as she dropped back to last for a few strides before rushing up on the outside.

For a horse to be declared a non starter as a result of a gate incident. There must be clear evidence of physical human mistake (holding on to the bridle too long for example) OR mechanical failure which there wasn't. The gate operated correctly and didn't malfunction.

The entire idea is for the Stewards to try and rule what was most equitable for all.

It seems to me they did that.[QUOTE]

I am pretty sure the assistant starter is still holding on to the 9 at this point.

[TonyK@HSH]

Stewards report that after careful review they felt the finish order of the race was not impacted.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by TonyK@HSH

Stewards report that after careful review they felt the finish order of the race was not impacted.

PERIOD

[Gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

PERIOD

Vic the stewards should have at least put up the inquiry sign to let public know they were looking at it.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by Gamblin4ever

Vic the stewards should have at least put up the inquiry sign to let public know they were looking at it.

Couldn't possibly agree more. It's a puzzlement.

[Onesome]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I haven't heard the Stewards official explanation. However, I would guess they ruled gained no real or tactical advantage as a result of the break. No other horses were bothered and she appeared to be ADVERSELY affected as she dropped back to last for a few strides before rushing up on the outside.

For a horse to be declared a non starter as a result of a gate incident. There must be clear evidence of physical human mistake (holding on to the bridle too long for example) OR mechanical failure which there wasn't. The gate operated correctly and didn't malfunction.

The entire idea is for the Stewards to try and rule what was most equitable for all.

It seems to me they did that.

I thought the NY rule was that if you broke thru the gate before the others opened that you were dq'ed?

[Onesome]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

In live action it looks a bad no-call.

Surprisingly, with the video provided on the Pan shot on NYRA and Youtube, - I'm not able to find a frame where the fractious horse's gate is opened, and where the field's gate is closed.

I can easily find frames where the fractious horse's gate is opened and the field's is only partially opened.

It's very close.

Maybe the head on, or a pan view with a greater frame rate will show it definitively?

Maybe it wasn't early an just an illusion. It doesn't even seem close in live action, but it is certainly close.

Edit - I haven't looked at the rule, to see whether it matters that the field's gate is beginning to open when a horse breaks the gates wide open

I kinda agree with you, to me all gates start to open at the same time, but it looks like 9 was lunging at the gate at just the right time that he drives his gate open quicker then the others.

For example in the Olympics, there is a human limit to the reaction time to the gun (think it's like .15s) that if you record an abnormal reaction time of like .01s in the 100m, you've deemed to jump started and are dq'ed, racing doesn't have a rule this obviously but the situation is what it reminds me of.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

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No, semi colon at best. The horse was clearly, imho, pulled back off balance right out of the gate. That affected the most bettors as it was the 4-5 fav.

But still no excuse for not putting up the inquiry sign.