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Old 02-21-2018, 08:58 AM   #1
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Storm Cat Sire Line

Anyone have any Derby stats on the Storm cat sire line? Has a horse from that line ever won the derby? I cant think of one... Seems a few decent horses are from his line this year.
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Anyone have any Derby stats on the Storm cat sire line? Has a horse from that line ever won the derby? I cant think of one... Seems a few decent horses are from his line this year.
Haskins Derby dozen column in the Bloodhorse will point out these stats. I had all this saved on my previous computer, but don't have access to it now
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0 for 49 prior to last year. Menifee came pretty close.

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Coincidentally, Brisnet posted an article on the topic today... 0/51 is an eye-catching number not only in its volume (it represents 11.5% of all Kentucky Derby starters since Tabasco Cat finished 6th at 6.1-to-1 in the 1994 Derby)
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Always Dreaming had Storm Cat in his pedigree three generations back. Doesn't that break the streak?
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Always Dreaming had Storm Cat in his pedigree three generations back. Doesn't that break the streak?
Think its straight top sire line
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The futility of most of the Northern Dancer line is pretty impressive.
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Anyone know the record of the Raise A Native sire line?
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Anyone know the record of the Raise A Native sire line?
I'm not near my Derby folder but it surpasses all other lines put together. I believe it's 58% in the last 25 years. I'll get back to you.
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Raise A Native have made up about 25% of Derby starters and have won more than 50% of Derby races one was entered. That means they’re winning at twice the expected rate. And, when you combine RAN with Stanley’s magic number of 37.6 or faster final 3/8th in a big 9F prep they win at four times the expected rate. Bold Ruler was the next best one in recent decades if my memory is correct. I wish Roman’s site was still up. It was a treasure trove for this kind of info.
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Raise A Native have made up about 25% of Derby starters and have won more than 50% of Derby races one was entered. That means they’re winning at twice the expected rate. And, when you combine RAN with Stanley’s magic number of 37.6 or faster final 3/8th in a big 9F prep they win at four times the expected rate. Bold Ruler was the next best one in recent decades if my memory is correct. I wish Roman’s site was still up. It was a treasure trove for this kind of info.
I did all this work but don't have it with me. I did the male-female of all Derby winners back to 1875 just to see when and where it abruptly changed. But you are right the Nasrullah/Bold Ruler/AP Indy line is making somewhat of a comeback. Of the 3 sons of Nearco, Nasrullah outshines both Royal Charger(mainly through More Than Ready and Arch) and Nearctic(sire of Northern Dancer).

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Raise a Native/Mr Prospector

Firenze Fire, Good Magic, Avery Island, Mckinzie, Solomini, Mourinho, Lombo.


Nearctic/Northern Dancer

Bolt Doro, Free Drop Billy, Flameaway, Enticed, Audible, Promises Fulfilled.


Royal Charger

Catholic Boy, Instilled Regard.
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