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Old 03-03-2018, 10:26 AM   #46
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Want better racing? Bring back synthetic tracks.
High class racing, like Turfway, GG, PID, AP?
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Old 03-03-2018, 10:40 AM   #47
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Thoroughbred racing invented a surface that isn't grass and is easy on horses' legs, and which significantly increased field sizes at Hollywood Park, which had gigantic horse shortage problems.

What happened? Some influential handicappers and horsemen hated it, and all but killed it.

Want better racing? Bring back synthetic tracks.
Is there a link to an article showing that the synthetic surface had less breakdowns and injuries? If that is the case then you are right tracks should go to the synthetic.
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Is there a link to an article showing that the synthetic surface had less breakdowns and injuries? If that is the case then you are right tracks should go to the synthetic.
At Del Mar fatal breakdowns went way down when they went to Poly and way back up when they switched back:

http://www.animals24-7.org/2016/08/2...-track-record/

Now, Del Mar thankfully had a better year in 2017 and we hope it continues. But the evidence of the safety of the synthetics was obvious.

The Jockey Club did a quasi official study that showed they are safer too:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/0...ww.google.com/
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At Del Mar fatal breakdowns went way down when they went to Poly and way back up when they switched back:

http://www.animals24-7.org/2016/08/2...-track-record/

Now, Del Mar thankfully had a better year in 2017 and we hope it continues. But the evidence of the safety of the synthetics was obvious.

The Jockey Club did a quasi official study that showed they are safer too:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/0...ww.google.com/
I know that the NJ horseman looked at this type of surface(Tapeta) back in 2008 but no one wanted the change.
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You missed my point by a mile.
I think I got your point, but maybe my poor choice of words obscured the fact I thought I was agreeing with you.

When you can claim a horse for $10,000 and double your money by winning one race (as at Parx), it incentivizes decisions detrimental to the horse’s health & safety. NYRA recognized this, made changes to correct, and now is suffering in field size as horsemen move down the road to a track less concerned about the safety of the horses and jockeys.

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I think I got your point, but maybe my poor choice of words obscured the fact I thought I was agreeing with you.

When you can claim a horse for $10,000 and double your money by winning one race (as at Parx), it incentivizes decisions detrimental to the horse’s health & safety. NYRA recognized this, made changes to correct, and now is suffering in field size as horsemen move down the road to a track less concerned about the safety of the horses and jockeys.

No good deed goes unpunished.
Thanks, appreciate the reply. We are on the same page.
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At Del Mar fatal breakdowns went way down when they went to Poly and way back up when they switched back:

http://www.animals24-7.org/2016/08/2...-track-record/

Now, Del Mar thankfully had a better year in 2017 and we hope it continues. But the evidence of the safety of the synthetics was obvious.

The Jockey Club did a quasi official study that showed they are safer too:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/0...ww.google.com/
All the synthetic tracks were new, all the dirt tracks were very old. If they tore out the dirt tracks and rebuilt from scratch would we see the same results?
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Yes - apples and oranges comparing old to new.
The foundations of the tracks were totally different.

I think poly is fine for cheap racing but not for top quality stakes races where the surface trumps class and speed.
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High class racing, like Turfway, GG, PID, AP?
Woodbine runs some pretty big races and does pretty good with its surface.
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High class racing, like Turfway, GG, PID, AP?
Sure..synthetics will be back...and Jimmy Hoffa, too.

And ohhhhh how I miss watching good horses cruise in front 49 for a half and finish 6th, beaten 2 lengths in a mad dash to the wire.

If I wanted to learn an entirely different game, I'd study jai alai.

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I see Aqueduct has been pushed off to TVG2 this weekend.
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I see Aqueduct has been pushed off to TVG2 this weekend.
That's because people would rather watch and bets through NYRA's channel, not TVG's lame product.
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I see Aqueduct has been pushed off to TVG2 this weekend.
I think this has only happened for the last race or 2 on the card when SA, GP & AQU all seem to converge on a 5pm post time for their given races, nice to see the coast to coast cooperation as always
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All the synthetic tracks were new, all the dirt tracks were very old. If they tore out the dirt tracks and rebuilt from scratch would we see the same results?
I would like to see them try.

I am not anti-dirt. If Del Mar's dirt stays safe, that would be great for the sport.

But I am anti-dirt that hurts horses. And- I am sorry, I know this is a handicapping board- the horses' lives are more important than whether people like handicapping the surface. In most places where synthetics have been torn out, deaths are back up. This thing will kill the sport long term as animal rights picks up steam.

So if you don't like synthetics, figure out how to make an equally safe dirt track.
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I would like to see them try.

I am not anti-dirt. If Del Mar's dirt stays safe, that would be great for the sport.

But I am anti-dirt that hurts horses. And- I am sorry, I know this is a handicapping board- the horses' lives are more important than whether people like handicapping the surface. In most places where synthetics have been torn out, deaths are back up. This thing will kill the sport long term as animal rights picks up steam.

So if you don't like synthetics, figure out how to make an equally safe dirt track.

Most of the rest of the world prefers turf racing and turf racing is growing in the US. My bet is that eventually turf racing is going to surpass dirt racing in importance in the US too. I may be gone by then, but that's the long term bet I'd make.
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