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Old 02-28-2018, 11:59 PM   #16
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We've seen over and over and over again that subsidies don't help the product as a gambling game. I'd even say it hurts. The problem for bettors is that we don't matter much as long as the subsidies flow in.
Racing at the casino here in Cincinnati is worse than it was before the casino. It's pathetic. Plus they slashed purses midway through the very first meet! Kiddin me?!
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Old 02-28-2018, 11:59 PM   #17
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Raise the purses again, I say. It can't possibly hurt the NY product any more than it already has.
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out of season

It's winter.

TBH I can't tell if this winter is better or worse than recent years. I only play them this time of year when they offer a great betting race. Otherwise, it's Gulfstream, Santa Anita, Oaklawn, and anyone offering a big stakes day card.

Love NYRA in-season.
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All I can tell you is that it is so. Somebody else can probably explain the reasoning...
I would think if you stayed to run in the winter, you already got a few starts in and some of those horses either got hurt or the trainer is now freshening them up. If you didn't run all winter or are running somewhere warm, you're probably going to wait until real warm weather or turf racing starts to come north rather than come back on March 1st.
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Old 03-01-2018, 10:55 AM   #20
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Over the years, NYRA has slowly been moving towards more turf racing. It's not unusual for a summer card to have more turf races than dirt races. When the turf season is over, some of those horses are turned out to farms for a freshening and others are shipped to warmer climates. That means instead of having 4-5 dirt races to fill, NYRA has to fill 8 or more dirt races with potentially fewer horses available to do it.

Turf racing is growing in popularity. Most likely that's because the horses stay sounder, the fields are larger, and the races appear to be more competitive. Apparently there may be some downsides in the colder months.
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All I can tell you is that it is so. Somebody else can probably explain the reasoning...
On Saturday I sat with an owner who had taken all 15 of his horses out of NY in late December due to the rare arctic climate we went through. He hasn't won a race yet at GP or Tampa and while we watched on the TV the 5 horse fields at the Big A on a rainy Saturday he was glad he came to Florida for the winter. Seems that year round racing at GP is also a reason horses are staying in Florida as well as another increase in purses beginning today.
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Over the years, NYRA has slowly been moving towards more turf racing. It's not unusual for a summer card to have more turf races than dirt races. When the turf season is over, some of those horses are turned out to farms for a freshening and others are shipped to warmer climates. That means instead of having 4-5 dirt races to fill, NYRA has to fill 8 or more dirt races with potentially fewer horses available to do it.

Turf racing is growing in popularity. Most likely that's because the horses stay sounder, the fields are larger, and the races appear to be more competitive. Apparently there may be some downsides in the colder months.
Its usually a 6 turf to 4 dirt on many of the cards.

If it wasnt for the rain there would be more turf racing than dirt in NY.

Even socal is moving close to 50/50 split now.
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You get more than 50-50 you'll need lights to finish a card.
The grass grows faster than a lot of NY turf races run splits.
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i have the feeling that the added $1500 for insurance has a lot to do with less people in New York, no fault of NYRA as far as i know.
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i have the feeling that the added $1500 for insurance has a lot to do with less people in New York, no fault of NYRA as far as i know.
I would imagine right after the Florida Derby the shippers will be busy as they head north from GP. Tough winter in NY with frigid temps in December and lots of rain in January and February. Hey the Ortiz brothers must know something they flew south as well....................
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I'd bet any race anywhere as long as I thought it was worthwhile...

Why would anyone cross a track off the list? A race is a race dude...
Relax, Francis. Itís called hyperbole.

That said, the product typically sucks there in the dead of winter. Short fields and slop.
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Why NYRA Has Small Fields This Winter

This column by Bill Finley explains it:

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...aces-continue/
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Relax, Francis. Itís called hyperbole.

That said, the product typically sucks there in the dead of winter. Short fields and slop.
I look at all the races all over the country every day. You gotta be chill and relaxed to be able to do that...
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You get more than 50-50 you'll need lights to finish a card.
The grass grows faster than a lot of NY turf races run splits.


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Panza would also like to see NYRA based horsemen more loyal to the NYRA product.
So would GM, Sears, Burger King.....welcome to the real world.
Of course your horses are going down to Parx - hint: it's not for the cheesesteaks.
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