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Old 02-09-2018, 01:00 PM   #46
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However if you think this president gives a damn about the debt or deficit I'll raise you a bunch of statements he's given verifying he doesn't.

Post wasn't anti-Trump it was me expressing satisfaction some might hold form against ballooning the debt more.
The government officially shut down last night or early this morning until the House passed the budget bill. With 67 Republicans voting against it, the bill passed because 73 House Democrats voted for it. Imagine how bad a GOP budget bill is that can get 73 Dem votes.

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Early this morning, Congress passed and President Trump signed a deal to avert a government shutdown for another two years by basically giving the Democrats all the spending they wanted and increasing discretionary spending by $150 billion a year.

There are also reports that Republicans are working on a bill to bail out Obamacare, and we havenít even gotten to Trumpís $1 trillion infrastructure plan yet.
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A lot of us on the right have spent the first year of the Trump administration trying to puzzle through his overall impact. On regulation and taxes, he has been much better than expected. In his personal style and messaging, he has been exactly as bad as we feared, and he never seems to learn. But on the most important issue of the era ó whether or not we make peace with Big Government ó he has now definitively failed.

Yet Trump is just a symptom. Republican leaders forged this agreement and passed it because the message sent by Donald Trumpís rise to the presidency is that the Republican base no longer cares about fiscal discipline or the size of government
http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/09/...verton-window/
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Old 02-09-2018, 01:26 PM   #47
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Yup.

1 year in and we've doubled the deficit. Before he actually spends any real money.

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Before he actually spends any real money.
Trump appears to be delaying or compromising on The Wall. The White House budget, to be submitted to Congress on Monday, reportedly asks for $3 billion to build 60 miles of "bollard fence" along the border.

Can't wait to see the tap dancing around the difference between "fence" and "wall".

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Yup.

1 year in and we've doubled the deficit. Before he actually spends any real money.
He was held hostage by the Dems - see his latest Twitter blather. Funny, I can't understand how such a gifted bullsh*t artist, I mean negotiator, can't outmaneuver Pelosi et al.
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He was held hostage by the Dems - see his latest Twitter blather. Funny, I can't understand how such a gifted bullsh*t artist, I mean negotiator, can't outmaneuver Pelosi et al.
Can't wait for the spin around these parts.

Deficit skyrockets, Obamacare is going to get a bailout, Amnesty everywhere, 10 feet higher...
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He was held hostage by the Dems - see his latest Twitter blather. Funny, I can't understand how such a gifted bullsh*t artist, I mean negotiator, can't outmaneuver Pelosi et al.
You have to have the support of your own people before you can deal effectively with the opposition.

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Without more Republicans in Congress, we were forced to increase spending on things we do not like or want in order to finally, after many years of depletion, take care of our Military. Sadly, we needed some Dem votes for passage. Must elect more Republicans in 2018 Election!
They needed Democrats to pass it because nearly 30% of the Republicans in the House voted against it.
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I don't like this one bit. Trump seems to have peaked...better hold that military parade NOW!
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I don't like this one bit. Trump seems to have peaked...better hold that military parade NOW!
Trump and the "Republican" Congress have achieved just about all of their agenda that can be done with executive orders and congressional reconciliation. From here on out, anything Yuge is going to require some big compromises with the Dems.

Trump seems to think that he can make a deal with the Dems on DACA. The Dems are looking for a lot more than Trump imagines. Pelosi's screed in the House yesterday is just the tip of the ice berg.
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you got to love Trump. he is the right man for this job because of his vast experience with bankruptcies. before he got elected we couldn't pay the $20 trillion we owe in a million years. now he is piling on to the debt. if the economy takes off we can put a good dent into the debt, if it doesn't (that would be my guess) we owe more and we go into plan b and just not pay what is owed. if the factories come back here and we sell our goods to the rest of the world the plan has a shot of working, but its no big deal if it doesn't work either.
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you got to love Trump. he is the right man for this job because of his vast experience with bankruptcies. before he got elected we couldn't pay the $20 trillion we owe in a million years. now he is piling on to the debt. if the economy takes off we can put a good dent into the debt, if it doesn't (that would be my guess) we owe more and we go into plan b and just not pay what is owed. if the factories come back here and we sell our goods to the rest of the world the plan has a shot of working, but its no big deal if it doesn't work either.
So... pull a Greece?

Other crazy thought would be to quit adding to the debt and reform entitlements... but hey that would require making tough decisions right?
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So... pull a Greece?

Other crazy thought would be to quit adding to the debt and reform entitlements... but hey that would require making tough decisions right?
if you take away the welfare that the bankers get the place will fall apart. that was the original mistake years ago. its like taking heroin away from a junkie. if they get rid of the fractional banking system, the people that have their money in the banks will never see the cash!
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you got to love Trump. he is the right man for this job because of his vast experience with bankruptcies.
Great. He lost a lot of other people's money and came out smelling like a rose.

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if the economy takes off we can put a good dent into the debt, if it doesn't (that would be my guess) we owe more and we go into plan b and just not pay what is owed.
If the economy takes off, we might be lucky enough to put a good dent in the annual deficit that the tax cut just created. The debt will continue to increase, but maybe at a little slower rate.

Plan B for Trump, as for all politicians, is to kick the can down the road, retire fat and happy, and let the next guy or the next generation deal with it. Two primary rules of politics: never let the bill come due while you are still in office, and always blame it on the other party.
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Yup.

1 year in and we've doubled the deficit. Before he actually spends any real money.
The Dems don't care. They can't get enough money to spend. At least a lot of Repugs did care and Trump does.
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Yup.

1 year in and we've doubled the deficit. Before he actually spends any real money.
you are spinning

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At least a lot of Repugs did care
That would be the 30% of House Republicans that voted against the bill? What evidence, beyond Trump's tweet blaming the Dems, that he cares?
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