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Old 12-30-2017, 08:33 PM   #16
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The Clinton Foundation and the GW Bush library never should have accepted money from the Saudis, but they aren't making policy at this point. Trump's position on the Saudis during the campaign was correct. Unfortunately they kissed his ass a few months back, and he did a 180. That doesn't make Trump a terrorist, obviously, just wrong (same as the last four or five admins).
We the United States are a tough partner to trust in a time when Saudis are making strides in their culture to modernize, we might need to draw a baseline from the start of the Trump administration till the start of his prospective second term and see how we judge them after that period of time. Prior to electing President Trump the talk was Saudis getting nukes too, I could be wrong but that may have changed.
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Donít forget. Dollar wise they support more terrorism on the planet than any other country
Thanks to Obama and his skids of cash delivered at night.
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that can't be true - the Clintons have gotten millions from Saudi Arabia over the last couple decades - are the Clintons terrorists?
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Really: "greatest fomenter of terrorism in the world"? And who is building nukes: The Saudis or Iran? (Please do not read this as a defense of Saudi Arabia because it ain't.
Over the past 20 years, what percent of Islamic terrorism has been committed by Shia or Shia-influenced Islamists vs. Sunni (specifically Wahhabists) Islamists? It isn't even close. I'm certain you know this.
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Over the past 20 years, what percent of Islamic terrorism has been committed by Shia or Shia-influenced Islamists vs. Sunni (specifically Wahhabists) Islamists? It isn't even close. I'm certain you know this.
I haven't really understood the claim either. Regional terrorism I guess but 95% of Islamic Terrorist attacks are perpetuated by Sunnis. In fact, the group's that our drones fly around and drop bombs on are the exact same ones the Iranians shoot and drop bombs on.
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Over the past 20 years, what percent of Islamic terrorism has been committed by Shia or Shia-influenced Islamists vs. Sunni (specifically Wahhabists) Islamists? It isn't even close. I'm certain you know this.
Mike, Iran is the new bully in the Middle East...AND...Iran, besides joining the nuclear clus, has some really nasty and dangerous international friends. If you don't know this, you haven't been keeping up with the times.
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Mike, Iran is the new bully in the Middle East...AND...Iran, besides joining the nuclear clus, has some really nasty and dangerous international friends. If you don't know this, you haven't been keeping up with the times.
You're addressing a different point, i.e., Iran's heightened influence in the Middle East which resulted from GWB's disastrous decision to invade Iraq. I'm happy to discuss this matter with you, but it wasn't my point. I claimed "Saudi Arabia was (and is) the greatest fomenter of terrorism in the world"(through its export of Wahhbism). In 2012, 70% of global terrorism was committed by Sunni Islamists, according to the National Counterintelligence Center. I would like to share the Shia stat with you, but it wasn't even listed, presumably too negligible. When the Iranians start exporting hate to every corner of the globe, I'll reconsider my position. That's what the Saudis have been doing for years and continue to do. If you don't know this, you haven't been keeping up with the times.
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Personally I think the next regional war in the Middle East, if there is one, is between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Won't have anything to do wirh Israel.
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that can't be true - the Clintons have gotten millions from Saudi Arabia over the last couple decades - are the Clintons terrorists?
That is no longer a question for those with a nugget in their skull.
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You're addressing a different point, i.e., Iran's heightened influence in the Middle East which resulted from GWB's disastrous decision to invade Iraq. I'm happy to discuss this matter with you, but it wasn't my point. I claimed "Saudi Arabia was (and is) the greatest fomenter of terrorism in the world"(through its export of Wahhbism). In 2012, 70% of global terrorism was committed by Sunni Islamists, according to the National Counterintelligence Center. I would like to share the Shia stat with you, but it wasn't even listed, presumably too negligible. When the Iranians start exporting hate to every corner of the globe, I'll reconsider my position. That's what the Saudis have been doing for years and continue to do. If you don't know this, you haven't been keeping up with the times.
What I do know is that Iran supports the two biggest terrorist groups on the planet and...hates the West...and...hates Israel...and...thanks to mainly Obama now has nuclear capability to express all that hatred...and has some very formidable and wicked allies in Russia and China. All these things NOW make them far more dangerous than the Saudis. And all this makes them more of influence upon the affairs of the entire world...not just the Middle East.
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Personally I think the next regional war in the Middle East, if there is one, is between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Won't have anything to do wirh Israel.
Yes, it would because the whole world would be drawn into that war. The U.S. would not let Iran occupy Saudi Arabia and its oil fields. That would never happen.
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Yes, it would because the whole world would be drawn into that war. The U.S. would not let Iran occupy Saudi Arabia and its oil fields. That would never happen.
Nope.

Israel would put on some jiffy pop, 3D glasses, and grab a comfy seat.
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Israel would put on some jiffy pop, 3D glasses, and grab a comfy seat.
No, they wouldn't because they are our few trusted allies. And we would welcome their help since Russia and/or China would be drawn into such a conflict. Israel wouldn't be able to drop off the world scene.
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No, they wouldn't because they are our few trusted allies. And we would welcome their help since Russia and/or China would be drawn into such a conflict. Israel wouldn't be able to drop off the world scene.
5 Reasons No:

1) Just like Desert Storm we wouldn't want them involved because it spills the conflict over as Jews getting involved in a internal Arab (See Muslim) issue would draw the conflict wider.

2) Arabs killing Arabs is all cool with Israel... see the Iraq/Iran war.

3) They have no vested interest in either side and would rather just see them obliterate each other.

4) Israel is not a trusted ally. They care about Israel first and foremost. No fault in that but getting involved is not in their best interest.

5) Hell, we would probably be tempted to grab the jiffy pop too...the head of OPEC and the regional military power slugging it out wouldn't affect us much.(Less serious point but still kinda serious.)

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5 Reasons No:

1) Just like Desert Storm we wouldn't want them involved because it spills the conflict over as Jews getting involved in a internal Arab (See Muslim) issue would draw the conflict wider.

2) Arabs killing Arabs is all cool with Israel... see the Iraq/Iran war.

3) They have no vested interest in either side and would rather just see them obliterate each other.

4) Israel is not a trusted ally. They care about Israel first and foremost. No fault in that but getting involved is not in their best interest.

5) Hell, we would probably be tempted to grab the jiffy pop too...the head of OPEC and the regional military power slugging it out wouldn't affect us much.(Less serious point but still kinda serious.)
You don't get it, do you? This would be no "Desert Storm". This would be a world conflict due to the oil assets of SA, and whether we would want Israel to be involved or whether Israel wants to cool its jets and sit it out on the sidelines would be irrelevant because once the super powers become involved, there would be no other option for Israel but to protect itself and side with the U.S.. There would be no bystanders or armchair quarterbacks in this kind of a conflict. Well....maybe France.
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