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Old 11-02-2017, 07:20 PM   #46
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The pass through provisions allowing individuals to claim the lower business tax rate seems ripe for abuse. Or just intelligent use of the rules if you prefer.

If _______ pays a 25% rate but _______,inc. 20% who wouldn’t find a way to classify their income as business if at all plausible? Every Doctor and Lawyer in the country will just turn themselves into a LLP if they haven’t already. As will a lot of other individuals.

I understand all the wheels are still in motion and the lobbyists are just getting started but this one stuck out for me. It had been hinted at all year.

I can’t find specifics on the limits for gambling losses which I assume might be of interest to some on this board. Anyone else have better luck?
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there may be a hell of a lot that pay 35% via Alternative Minimum Tax
AMT would be eliminated.
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I canít find specifics on the limits for gambling losses which I assume might be of interest to some on this board. Anyone else have better luck?
I would have to guess that the gambling-loss rate for most players is about 100%.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:06 PM   #49
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I canít find specifics on the limits for gambling losses which I assume might be of interest to some on this board. Anyone else have better luck?
Found this older link on earlier versions of the plan. If accurate, it would be a game changer for horseplayers. Illinois was like this when I was a resident.

https://www.nmcpa.com/blog/deduction...proposal/42502

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Gambling Losses Ė Currently, gambling losses are only deductible in an amount equal to gambling winnings. Under Trumpís plan, these losses would no longer be deductible, meaning that taxpayers would have to pay taxes on all their winnings Ė even if they have net losses. Senior citizens and others who gamble recreationally could be hit with significant taxes even when they actually lose money.
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The pass through provisions allowing individuals to claim the lower business tax rate seems ripe for abuse. Or just intelligent use of the rules if you prefer.

If _______ pays a 25% rate but _______,inc. 20% who wouldnít find a way to classify their income as business if at all plausible? Every Doctor and Lawyer in the country will just turn themselves into a LLP if they havenít already. As will a lot of other individuals.

I understand all the wheels are still in motion and the lobbyists are just getting started but this one stuck out for me. It had been hinted at all year.

I canít find specifics on the limits for gambling losses which I assume might be of interest to some on this board. Anyone else have better luck?
Personal service income will not be able to take advantage of lower business rates. Income earned that would typically be equivalent to wages cannot be turned into "business income" at the lower rate.
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Found this older link on earlier versions of the plan. If accurate, it would be a game changer for horseplayers. Illinois was like this when I was a resident.

https://www.nmcpa.com/blog/deduction...proposal/42502
If I read the bill correctly the only change for gambling losses would affect professional players. Under current law professional gamblers can create a net operating loss by deducting their costs of gambling. Costs include internet, racing forms, travel, etc. The change would treat all costs as gambling losses subject to the gambling winnings limitation.
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This Republican tax plans mostly benefits the wealthy and super-wealthy and will add $$$$$$$$ to the deficit.

Still on board, right?
What provision in the bill makes you believe that the wealthy and super-wealthy will be most benefited?
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What provision in the bill makes you believe that the wealthy and super-wealthy will be most benefited?
Plenty of articles out there detailing how..

https://www.vox.com/2017/11/2/165968...ryan-explained

http://theweek.com/articles/734855/h...extremely-rich
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The articles would have you believe that only rich people own stocks and get dividends. And because the dividends will be increased due to lower corporate taxes only the rich will benefit. Of course this kind of ridiculous thinking doesn't consider all of the public pensions, private pensions, 401-Ks, and IRAs that are invested in stocks that will benefit. Most US cities and state governments are under major economic stress because of underfunding of pension plans. Can more dividends really be a problem?
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If the GOP is solidly behind passing this, them I am worried.
they are never 100% behind the people, only themselves.

Sounds like a rush job for talking points and nothing of any substance for us. Where is the sound, well thought out plan they had 8 freaking years to design?

Do not trust the GOP, especially when they tell you they are doing a good job for you.

Bottom line, the GOP just lack the balls to do anything the dems will not like. They are sniveling cowards and liars.
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If the GOP is solidly behind passing this, them I am worried.
they are never 100% behind the people, only themselves.

Sounds like a rush job for talking points and nothing of any substance for us. Where is the sound, well thought out plan they had 8 freaking years to design?

Do not trust the GOP, especially when they tell you they are doing a good job for you.

Bottom line, the GOP just lack the balls to do anything the dems will not like. They are sniveling cowards and liars.
Agreed....they are the best of a worthless lot.
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Tax The Churches.
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Tax Churches, yes, absolutely.
Tax cuts for the wealthy - You libs need to get a new schtick.,...that lie has been used for too many years now, and it is a lie.

btw, who is Seth Hanlon and who really cares?
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Seth Hanlon and others need to read the linked articles before posting them.

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Despite the research and President Trump's pleas, House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Kevin Brady (R-Tex.) said Friday that he is unlikely to add changes to health-care policy to the tax legislation, because doing so would doom its chances in the more closely divided Senate.
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