What a dull and uninspiring Speech

[ebcorde]

replaces MLK statue with Winston Churchill's.

F what Mr Heart of Stone russian asset says. its what he does. He chose a Brit leader who came to us begging for help.

Why not George and the Valley Forge crew, or George crossing the Delaware, or Bunker Hill?

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Please explain how easily he can come up with immigration and tax plans that the Democrats and the Republicans in the House and the Senate can agree on. Neither party seems at all enthusiastic about anything he has said on those issues to date.

There is a long list of things that republicans in congress want that Trump would be agreeable to (and vice versa). You make a list of those and haggle on the things you don't agree on until you get everything both sides want and some compromise and disappointment on the rest. I don't know how comprehensive tax reform is going to be (probably not enough for my liking), but something is going to get done. The democrats are practically irrelevant.

On immigration, he will easily get republicans to agree that practically begging illegals and refugees to come to the US is a bad idea and just enforcing existing laws is a good idea. That's already moving the needle. I don't think he's going to have a hard time convincing the American people to deport illegals that are also felons either. The "wall" may be a tougher sell, but something is going to be done to make it tougher to sneak in. It won't be 100%, nothing is. But it will make it tough enough that fewer will even try.

[ebcorde]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

There is a long list of things that republicans in congress want that Trump would be agreeable to (and vice versa). You make a list of those and haggle on the things you don't agree on until you get everything both sides want and some compromise and disappointment on the rest. I don't know how comprehensive tax reform is going to be (probably not enough for my liking), but something is going to get done. The democrats are practically irrelevant.

On immigration, he will easily get republicans to agree that practically begging illegals and refugees to come to the US is a bad idea and just enforcing existing laws is a good idea. That's already moving the needle. I don't think he's going to have a hard time convincing the American people to deport illegals that are also felons either. The "wall" may be a tougher sell, but something is going to be done to make it tougher to sneak in.

its too late for these here. too many, they pay taxes, have businesses

1. 12 million leave and and the GDP goes down
2. Countries cant accept hundreds of thousands people, no jobs, no house,
3. They paid social security for years,
4 Kids born in America you will ship out or break up families.
5 the negative effect on economy. people will save money anticipation of being deported. in other words Miguel is not buying that new truck for work.
6, guy committed a felony 10 years ao now has 3 kids , house and works 2 jobs

its not happening. He will continue Obama's polices.
Bush handed you all a chance in 2006 and he was spit on. Like 20 million illegals ago

[chadk66]

I think we underestimate how fast congress is going to fall in lock step with this president.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by ebcorde

replaces MLK statue with Winston Churchill's.

F what Mr Heart of Stone russian asset says. its what he does. He chose a Brit leader who came to us begging for help.

Why not George and the Valley Forge crew, or George crossing the Delaware, or Bunker Hill?

So if a friend of yours "begged" for your help, your response would be what precisely?

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

The democrats are practically irrelevant.

Neither comprehensive tax reform nor comprehensive immigration reform have been passed in recent memory precisely because the minority party in the Senate is highly relevant.

Two major issues off the top of my head. The Dems, particularly in the Senate, very much want amnesty for illegals and are very much opposed to tax cuts for the "rich".

In reality, what are the chances of a compromise on those issues that the House, the Senate, and His Trumpness can agree on?

Edited to quality the last phrase: ...that Trump can agree on without blowing up his credibility with his base.

[rastajenk]

Maybe he can pick off the low-hanging fruit for a couple years until the next batch of Dem senators get voted out.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by chadk66

I think we underestimate how fast congress is going to fall in lock step with this president.

I definitely underestimate it. I just can't believe in my heart that these guys are going to give up the scheme they've been operating for generations. I can't help but think right after everyone gets done being complimentary on television until they can read the political tea leaves, they all get together, Dems and Pubs, with a big ole bottle of scotch and figure out how they can completely destroy him and any future thoughts of electing someone that isn't completely in the fold and party politics friendly.

[rastajenk]

They've had almost two years to destroy him, and one could say that their efforts helped get him elected. Surely they're not sandbagging now while waiting for the right opportunity, are they?

[ebcorde]

about time.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

I can't help but think right after everyone gets done being complimentary on television until they can read the political tea leaves, they all get together, Dems and Pubs, with a big ole bottle of scotch and figure out how they can completely destroy him and any future thoughts of electing someone that isn't completely in the fold and party politics friendly.

You give them too much credit for planning, competence, and organizational skill.

For the reality of this situation, I'd suggest that interested folks read the book (read a book? ) called "The Triumph of Politics" by David Stockman. Stockman was Reagan's budget director, and the guy in charge of coordinating Reagan's plans to cut the size of government. The book explains why Reagan, and Stockman, failed.

In brief, Reagan could not even get his own party members, who agreed with the plans in principle, to go along with implementation. This was not just the Republicans in Congress, but those in Reagan's own cabinet. Everyone thought it was the greatest thing on earth, as long as it didn't affect them and their people and their programs.

The same principle applies to tax reform, immigration reform, spending cuts, etc., etc.

[reckless]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Please explain how easily he can come up with immigration and tax plans that the Democrats and the Republicans in the House and the Senate can agree on. Neither party seems at all enthusiastic about anything he has said on those issues to date.

Really? You think getting tax reform and immigration legislation is a joke? Wow. No wonder you've lost more credibility this past year or so than almost any single poster.

So, you are implying that both parties do not want to do tax reform or immigration. Now that's something to laugh at.

Lowering both the corporate and income tax rate will be the easiest thing to pass. After the mandate Trump received on Nov. 8 both parties are scared shitless not to do income tax reform, and, more importantly with the corporate tax changes. It will be very easy to convince people that a change in the Corporate tax rate will result in jobs, capital investment and an overall vibrant economy. What politician in their right mind wants tax payers to pay more in taxes -- especially with a GOP majority and Trump driving the ship. None.

The Democrats cannot stop this, especially since many Democrat senators are up for re-election in 2 years. And Democrats run the risk of very long term defeats in the coming years if it is viewed as the ones still trying to stop all this. Democrats know this better than all the delusional anti-Trumpsters on god's green earth, not to mention those in PA OT-General.

As dumb as many Republicans usually are do you really think they will put up any road blocks pertaining to tax reform and immigration reform too? It will not happen. Trump gets everything what he wants, you can go to the bank on that. The GOP has already folded and conceded: this is Donald Trump's Republican Party and they cannot and will not stop him and his positive, populist agenda.

I will not even waste my time trying to convince some of you people how building a wall, securing the border, enforcing current laws, and returning the criminals to their original home is also a done deal. Deny, deny, deny this all you want. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

[FantasticDan]

Speaking of dull and uninspiring.. wow, that was some speech today he gave to the CIA. Rambling, incoherent.. and then, as always, eventually all about him and his imagined slights.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/01/...rowd-size.html

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by ebcorde

replaces MLK statue with Winston Churchill's.

F what Mr Heart of Stone russian asset says. its what he does. He chose a Brit leader who came to us begging for help.

Why not George and the Valley Forge crew, or George crossing the Delaware, or Bunker Hill?

MLK statue is still there, just bad reporting again.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

Speaking of dull and uninspiring.. wow, that was some speech today he gave to the CIA. Rambling, incoherent.. and then, as always, eventually all about him and his imagined slights.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/01/...rowd-size.html

They were pretty loudly cheering that dull speech weren't they.
You will never get IT.