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Old 12-11-2016, 07:17 PM   #1
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Andy Serling Win ROI-AQU Inner Track Meet

Andy Serling 2016, AQU inner track meet, ROI based on TOP selection only.

Picks today:

Race 1 6
Race 2 1
Race 3 6
Race 4 4
Race 5 3
Race 6 2
Race 7 2
Race 8 2

Today 0/8. Minus $16

If anyone has his picks for Wed-Sat, please post the page/link.

If anyone can help track his winners throughout the meet, please do so. I'd appreciate the help!
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Old 12-11-2016, 07:22 PM   #2
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Old 12-11-2016, 07:23 PM   #3
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What are you talking about???

I, simply want to track his top win selections for a meet.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 12-11-2016, 07:29 PM   #4
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These things tend to go down a different path than originally intended
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http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/...&highlight=Andy

You mean like that thread?

Plus....


http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/...&highlight=Andy

Plus, we never got the actual stats from this meet, I want to make sure it doesn't happen again. People accused him of using any one of his top 4 or 5 picks in his ROI.

We should eliminate that ambiguity.
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Old 12-11-2016, 08:05 PM   #6
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He's not going to GP this year?
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He's not going to GP this year?


He did post about that. I think he said no. I was happy about that. Andy does a ton of homework that I respect.
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Old 12-11-2016, 08:31 PM   #8
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Andy Serling 2016, AQU inner track meet, ROI based on TOP selection only.

Picks today:

Race 1 6
Race 2 1
Race 3 6
Race 4 4
Race 5 3
Race 6 2
Race 7 2
Race 8 2

Today 0/8. Minus $16

If anyone has his picks for Wed-Sat, please post the page/link.

If anyone can help track his winners throughout the meet, please do so. I'd appreciate the help!

Did they stop posting them on NYRA.com?

I didn't do much better on my blog. 2 winners on top in 8 races, total return $10.30

I remember last year seeing races that looked like turf races from the PPs. There was one today. I think the inner is idiosyncratic, and I find it can sometimes have inexplicable winners. I usually wait for the form to settle a bit before firing away.
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Did they stop posting them on NYRA.com?

I didn't do much better on my blog. 2 winners on top in 8 races, total return $10.30

I remember last year seeing races that looked like turf races from the PPs. There was one today. I think the inner is idiosyncratic, and I find it can sometimes have inexplicable winners. I usually wait for the form to settle a bit before firing away.


I've never seen a running ROI, based on top picks or otherwise on NYRA.com.

Figured I'd help start the tracking of it.

I always wondered how much his ROI was at the SPA this summer but he/they never posted his ROI.

Then we had attackers come in and post how he used his top 4/5 picks in determining a winner.

Ambiguity needs to go away.
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All I know is that tlg and Travis Stone's picks enabled me and my bud in Staten Island to hit for $3139 on a $64 P/6 investment Friday ($2934 + 5 P'5's). My bud said we got a shoutout on the NYRA Channel about it yesterday.


I use the Talking Horses picks plus my own picks most every day I'm betting NYRA.
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We have someone here who counts even money shots as paying 2-1, but I'd be surprised if Andy was counting his 4th place selection as a winner. Shocked really.
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All I know is that tlg and Travis Stone's picks enabled me and my bud in Staten Island to hit for $3139 on a $64 P/6 investment Friday ($2934 + 5 P'5's). My bud said we got a shoutout on the NYRA Channel about it yesterday.


I use the Talking Horses picks plus my own picks most every day I'm betting NYRA.


That's awesome!

That's what I want to hear!
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We have someone here who counts even money shots as paying 2-1, but I'd be surprised if Andy was counting his 4th place selection as a winner. Shocked really.


Who counts 1/1 shots as 2/1 shots here?????

TLG-I would be shocked as well.
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ROI

I certainly can't speak for Andy(don't believe we've ever even discussed anything online), but it was my impression that he sequenced his selections in order to illuminate the race, rather than to perform towards an ROI

eg you may see something like


and '' is an interesting horse who has run races just about as good as the and/or , but the is 12-1.
(and he 'hates' the , - where the could actually contend but is a terrible value at a likely 5/2).

or maybe I'm dead wrong, and he's shooting for ROI. (can only make observations)
Either way, i'm sure that in addition to illuminate a race, they do fairly well over time, especially vs. whatever a pick-every-race ROI is supposed to look like.

as far as I can tell, he's the best at what he does.
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I certainly can't speak for Andy(don't believe we've ever even discussed anything online), but it was my impression that he sequenced his selections in order to illuminate the race, rather than to perform towards an ROI

eg you may see something like


and '' is an interesting horse who has run races just about as good as the and/or , but the is 12-1.
(and he 'hates' the , - where the could actually contend but is a terrible value at a likely 5/2).

or maybe I'm dead wrong, and he's shooting for ROI. (can only make observations)
Either way, i'm sure that in addition to illuminate a race, they do fairly well over time, especially vs. whatever a pick-every-race ROI is supposed to look like.

as far as I can tell, he's the best at what he does.


Andy does a great job, avoiding underlays. 100% right!
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