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Old 09-14-2016, 11:40 AM   #16
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Comparatively speaking for the 6th race, when I bring up Trainers on today's Belmont card with positive win place and show returns in Maiden races on the Dirt since opening day in April, the stand out is R A Violette Jr.



It's either feast or famine with him as his horses have won 5 of their last 10 in this situation. I will have to give #3 Ryder Road some consideration.

C F Martin's horses are giving decent returns to win place and show at 39% in this situation as well.

However, the person that is not on this list is D G Donk. His overall return with Maidens on the Dirt at Belmont since April is negative but his show prices are giving you a 41% return per $2 show wager.




So #2 The Orphan Miracle might not win but could pay a decent price to show if it hits the board today!!!
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should be a good value, TheOracle
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Old 09-14-2016, 12:19 PM   #18
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R6

Exacta key for me
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:20 PM   #19
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I think the race sets up for the solid, improving JAMES LANE.

I think the and add some interesting First Time Starter value.

I think the race is fairly wide open
(The looks best if you are playing by the rules,
but I'm not 'sold' on the ).
is a 'wildcard'. is a 'wildcard'.



$5 W/P/S =$15

$1 EX / =$4

.50 Tris

/ / =$10

/ / =$10

/ / =$10

TIP FOR THE TELLER =$1

TOTAL =
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Old 09-14-2016, 02:38 PM   #20
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Why Mdn race?

But, I'll go for Danebury ran a decent 7f as a 2yo. Works looks regular and decent since July. Anyone know why he's been off 9 months?

And, James Lane improved last race compared to two back both at 6.5f. Like owner, trainer, jockey and sire.

Since a mdn race would like at least 3/1 on either pick.
because some of these MSWs are Fun to guess along with!

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The 2 works out of the at Del Mar, and prior to shipping really stick out. 3Fs in :33 and 2 . Is that real?

are the logicals in here. I'd likely pass, or maybe throw a Place/Show bet at the if he is 30/1 or more and looks decent in the post parade, which I'm sure he won't.
could be tough. You, Replay Randall, and Bello all note some positives.
The replay from the 5's last race was a bit of a turnoff. Wrong lead, wasn't comfortable. The only positive was that the winner was off lead as well.
2-back the 5 was on the proper lead.
If the 5 runs his A-race w/ proper footwork, he contends or at least affects the race.


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thinking 5 blasts out to the lead and the sits rite off and the comes over the top.. if the is a real runner runs them all off their feet no breathalyzer style or takes back and the gets a clear lead and the is a rat.. pretty much the key of the race is what the decides to do in my opinion
I gotta think they put the 7 right into the race. I agree that the 5 and the 3 will also likely be on the pace...

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Four contenders are the 4 outside horses. Inside bunch out? looks cheaper

#8 James Lane....excuses galore. Outside post and Belmont turn should help Jose get a clean trip

#5 Agronomy...This is not the strongest NYB field and I would agree with RR this is not a step up

#7 JJ Jake.....bet to 5-2 in debut and was wide around the turn. Will benefit from that race

#6 Danbury ...obvious contender on paper but why 10 months off after a good debut?
6 was a triple crown nominee...
Velasquez to-->Velazquez angle as well
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Old 09-14-2016, 03:04 PM   #21
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The 5 is my biggest enigma this race. On further review he was Vet scratched at Del Mar on 08-11 and combine that with the above description I am not so comfortable. But there are plenty of NYB MCL races for him.

I am also wondering if he was a travelmate of another horse in the Sadler barn coming in for a stakes race.

You picked a tough one RF....Regardless, my top choice is the 8.

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The 5 is my biggest enigma this race. On further review he was Vet scratched at Del Mar on 08-11 and combine that with the above description I am not so comfortable. But there are plenty of NYB MCL races for him.

I am also wondering if he was a travelmate of another horse in the Sadler barn coming in for a stakes race.

You picked a tough one RF....Regardless, my top choice is the 8.
is really being hammered early in the race5->race6 Daily Doubles...

I think that could be so called 'smart money'

this is a tough one, I agree
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violette is favored???

pick a winner and you get 7,8 bucks here at a minimum
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violette is favored???

pick a winner and you get 7,8 bucks here at a minimum
looks sharp in the PP and on the track and is getting bet.

I'd have a tough time firing anything.
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#3 very professional once the race started. Fooled Maggie in the post parade.
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Old 09-14-2016, 04:22 PM   #26
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$5 W/P/S =$15 [$0 $11.25 $6.75]

$1 EX / =$4 [$0]

.50 Tris

/ / =$10 [$0]

/ / =$10 [36.25]

/ / =$10 [$0]

TIP FOR THE TELLER =$1

TOTAL =
BET $50
RETURNED $54.25
- $0.25 (TELLER KEEPS QUARTER)


i made $4 while risking $50.
teller made $1.25 while risking nothing

was fun to cap... Race kind of developed how I expected, except for the 3 firing so big.
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Well you could have made more if you weren't such a big tipper.

I made nothing but enjoyed the thread.
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Old 09-14-2016, 06:06 PM   #28
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because some of these MSWs are Fun to guess along with! ...

Well with so many FTS I really don't like to guess. And, I really like these type of threads but try to keep them other than mdns.
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