Antonio Arriaga

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by bello

Well obviously you guys lost, and I never come here and brag. I gave you a tidbit of information that has been valuable for me.

EVERYTHING IN HORSE RACING IS INCREMENTAL AND SUBTLE.

Sorry you guys lost on an absolutely obvious winner and when one starts a thread I figure they are looking for input.

Sorry I bothered.

What input did you give exactly? If it's what I think it is...wow...thanks

And everyone is sorry around here lately...

[bello]

I have no clue what your last post means. I make very benign comment was that when a horse moves from Lakeman to another trainer it can improve and somehow you and CJ jump all over me ass. Also not sure what the im sorry comment means.

Calm down boys......

[alhattab]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

Of course I handicapped the races.

Mastic was claimed 3 back for 12.5 off Michelle Nevin. Missed by a neck for 25k for Lakeman first off the claim and then has now won for 16k and 25k, te breaking mid stretch in each win.

It's VERY hard to claim off Michelle Nevin and improve the horse. His other winner was claimed off Rudy Rod. Also not easy to improve off of. But this lifetime 4% trainer has done it at Saratoga no less.

Impressive

I didn't think either of the two most recent winners improved all that much. They seemed to be in pretty good shape when Arriaga got them.

For those thinking something is up, Mike's finding I'd certainly interesting (nice find Mike). Also a clue could be the ownership group- The Players Group- which has been hitting at a 30% clip with limited starters over the past few years. I couldn't find much else about them other than what I could find on Equibase.

[Track Phantom]

Whenever a habitually low percentage trainer wins 3 in a row (especially at a meet like Saratoga) it's not likely to be a coincidence. At least, I wouldn't approach it that way. Yes, there may be reasons for these 3 wins, but there were probably winnable situations in the previous 100+ without success.

I commend Da Hoss for finding this, posting it and offering his opinion. It's worth monitoring.

Final thought: It's not cynical horse players who try to turn every accomplishment into something nefarious. It's the painfully weak policing of this game that gives horse players zero confidence that anything is legit. I don't blame anyone for questioning anything that looks too good to be true.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Have you called the cops yet? What exactly would you like US to do? Commiserate with you?

You're better than this

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by bello

Well obviously you guys lost, and I never come here and brag. I gave you a tidbit of information that has been valuable for me.

EVERYTHING IN HORSE RACING IS INCREMENTAL AND SUBTLE.

Sorry you guys lost on an absolutely obvious winner and when one starts a thread I figure they are looking for input.

Sorry I bothered.

You're not better than this

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by alhattab

I didn't think either of the two most recent winners improved all that much. They seemed to be in pretty good shape when Arriaga got them.

For those thinking something is up, Mike's finding I'd certainly interesting (nice find Mike). Also a clue could be the ownership group- The Players Group- which has been hitting at a 30% clip with limited starters over the past few years. I couldn't find much else about them other than what I could find on Equibase.

I'd be curious to see if Mastic has improved figure wise since the claim. Maybe someone can post the figs, I'd do it but I'm not home

[Robert Fischer]

seems like a couple obvious factors


we have a potentially newfound aptitude

and we have an interesting social network among the trainers in at least 2 out of the 3 cases


dahoss noticed an interesting glitch in the matrix

nothing wrong with appreciating that

[bello]

You are a weird bunch for sure. Not sure what drives some of these responses other than there is a clique of those who circle each other for protection against whatever posts you perceive are against any one of you.

Next time dahoss ill kiss your ass for making a comment that any of us can read in the racing form about a trainer that never wins winning three in a row. I tried to add a nugget of info as a fellow poster. My understanding is that is the way boards work. Then you come across in post 7 like a fool and antagonist.

Then you have your posse of cj and pa jumping in and busting my balls. I don't study the way the cliques works on this board but I certainly got it handed to me today from you, CJ and PA for simply adding a comment to your original post which some may have appreciated as a potential reason Arriaga won a couple of races. WTF is with you guys.

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by bello

You are a weird bunch for sure. Not sure what drives some of these responses other than there is a clique of those who circle each other for protection against whatever posts you perceive are against any one of you.

Next time dahoss ill kiss your ass for making a comment that any of us can read in the racing form about a trainer that never wins winning three in a row. I tried to add a nugget of info as a fellow poster. My understanding is that is the way boards work. Then you come across in post 7 like a fool and antagonist.

Then you have your posse of cj and pa jumping in and busting my balls. I don't study the way the cliques works on this board but I certainly got it handed to me today from you, CJ and PA for simply adding a comment to your original post which some may have appreciated as a potential reason Arriaga won a couple of races. WTF is with you guys.

According to 1 or more people here, you and I are the same person. So.........ya got me in your clique !

Don't think that's a good thing though





Just trying to lighten up the mood boys Been awfully testy around here lately. Can't we all just get along?

[andtheyreoff]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

I'd be curious to see if Mastic has improved figure wise since the claim. Maybe someone can post the figs, I'd do it but I'm not home

In three starts for the Nevin barn, Mastic earned brisnet figures of 83, 85, and 69. With Lakeman, she ran an 89 and an 80.

Those figures put her in the mix with the top contenders, and she was 9/2 on the morning line. She didn't exactly come out of nowhere.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

I'd be curious to see if Mastic has improved figure wise since the claim. Maybe someone can post the figs, I'd do it but I'm not home

I'll post the before and after figs for all his winners tomorrow...hanging at Remington tonight.

[bello]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

According to 1 or more people here, you and I are the same person. So.........ya got me in your clique !

Don't think that's a good thing though





Just trying to lighten up the mood boys Been awfully testy around here lately. Can't we all just get along?

Now that is hilarious.....But It would be since we are the same person.

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by bello

Now that is hilarious.....But It would be since we are the same person.

Hey, stop that! People might believe you. I was just trying to help put some fire out. (unless you meant otherwise, like, great minds think alike. Then............ )

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by bello

I have no clue what your last post means. I make very benign comment was that when a horse moves from Lakeman to another trainer it can improve and somehow you and CJ jump all over me ass. Also not sure what the im sorry comment means.

Calm down boys......

At the end of your post, you say you're sorry you bothered...Dahoss said a similar thing at the end of one of his posts earlier in this thread....this my "sorry comment."

I thought it was pretty self-explanatory.