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Old 06-21-2016, 09:50 PM   #1
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In its infancy I know but was curious are most on the board as intrigued as I as this seems like a well done program. I do wish more emphasis was on horses racing against the race flow. ++ or - - for bris users or S and C for DRF. Would anyone like to comment on the program such as ease of use early success, spot plays Early Late ect. I think I will be ordering soon nice job NCG.
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:37 AM   #2
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In its infancy I know but was curious are most on the board as intrigued as I as this seems like a well done program. I do wish more emphasis was on horses racing against the race flow. ++ or - - for bris users or S and C for DRF. Would anyone like to comment on the program such as ease of use early success, spot plays Early Late ect. I think I will be ordering soon nice job NCG.
*ahem* ....I'd like to comment. I noticed you are a very careful shopper-- You ask around and get suggestions, recommendations, etc.

If you like spot plays---you can come up with a dozen of your own with this program. "Pace Flow" programs are probably more high end, Racey.

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Old 06-22-2016, 08:43 AM   #3
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This is not so easy of a topic. Pace at times seems only to have value as an elimination tool. Other times pace supports the winner. Determining what type of pace attribute to use is challenging also. The product you mentioned uses only the last two races. In my experience, there is more to pace than only the last races. I dropped key pp line pace and went back to it because I wasn't satisfied with using a non key race approach for pace. Other attributes such as speed work well without a key race pace.
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Old 06-22-2016, 09:21 AM   #4
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Old 06-22-2016, 09:31 AM   #5
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Hi Tom,

Do you think the program is geared for early speed favoring tracks in general?

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Old 06-22-2016, 10:40 AM   #6
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This is not so easy of a topic. Pace at times seems only to have value as an elimination tool. Other times pace supports the winner. Determining what type of pace attribute to use is challenging also. The product you mentioned uses only the last two races. In my experience, there is more to pace than only the last races. I dropped key pp line pace and went back to it because I wasn't satisfied with using a non key race approach for pace. Other attributes such as speed work well without a key race pace.
Al....Racey asked for comments from users of the program. You have neither purchased the program nor used it. I don't mean to be rude, but your experiences with pace aren't relevant here.

If that's why you haven't bought the program--that's fine. Some well-known handicappers have purchased it- if for no other reason than may just learn from it, it's another tool-- and it costs what an app costs nowadays.

Have a good day my friend

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Al....Racey asked for comments from users of the program. You have neither purchased the program nor used it. I don't mean to be rude, but your experiences with pace aren't relevant here.

If that's why you haven't bought the program--that's fine. Some well-known handicappers have purchased it- if for no other reason than may just learn from it, it's another tool-- and it costs what an app costs nowadays.

Have a good day my friend

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I read your info where you stated that your figures were based on the last two races. I'm sorry if I remember this wrong. So, I was careful to write my experience when discussing pace not your product.
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Al....Racey asked for comments from users of the program. You have neither purchased the program nor used it. I don't mean to be rude, but your experiences with pace aren't relevant here.

If that's why you haven't bought the program--that's fine. Some well-known handicappers have purchased it- if for no other reason than may just learn from it, it's another tool-- and it costs what an app costs nowadays.

Have a good day my friend

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If anything is out of line I'll take care of it, or PA will. But even as an authorized advertiser you really can't control where threads go. That said, you pointing out Al isn't a user is also fair game.
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Now I want to know. Didn't you state that your product used only the last two races? Old people like to checkout their memory.
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Now I want to know. Didn't you state that your product used only the last two races? Old people like to checkout their memory.
I can tell you that in my own program, the pace line is always selected from one of the last two races. In my experience the farther you go back the less predictive the data is.
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I can tell you that in my own program, the pace line is always selected from one of the last two races. In my experience the farther you go back the less predictive the data is.
I'm struggling with this at the moment. Need to run some data and see where it goes.
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I can tell you that in my own program, the pace line is always selected from one of the last two races. In my experience the farther you go back the less predictive the data is.
I would never only look at the last two races! I have no problem going far back!
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Old 06-22-2016, 06:39 PM   #13
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Regardless of if it's 1 or 2 races, I have a couple of questions:

1) What happens if the horse was a victim at the start the last 2 races? Wouldn't you MISS a true speed horse who is hidden?

2) What happens if a horse was choked and rated in the last race/last 2 races? Again, wouldn't that cause you to misinterpret a pace scenario?

How is that captured in the info?
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Regardless of if it's 1 or 2 races, I have a couple of questions:

1) What happens if the horse was a victim at the start the last 2 races? Wouldn't you MISS a true speed horse who is hidden?

2) What happens if a horse was choked and rated in the last race/last 2 races? Again, wouldn't that cause you to misinterpret a pace scenario?

How is that captured in the info?
Good questions.
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Regardless of if it's 1 or 2 races, I have a couple of questions:

1) What happens if the horse was a victim at the start the last 2 races? Wouldn't you MISS a true speed horse who is hidden?

2) What happens if a horse was choked and rated in the last race/last 2 races? Again, wouldn't that cause you to misinterpret a pace scenario?

How is that captured in the info?
These are very valid points. I have seen many horses get a bad ride or have some bad racing luck and come back to run to form and win at a big price.

That being said some horses seem to figure out a way to get beat. Just ask any trainer of the losers and see what kind of excuses you get, rarely you will hear one say we just got beat.

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