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06-14-2016, 08:01 AM
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2017 Kentucky Derby
Is it too soon to start to talk Derby 2017? I got post triple crown season depression. lol
Secret House seems like a good 2YO
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06-14-2016, 08:10 AM
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How many 2 year olds have even run at this point?
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06-14-2016, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by AlBundy33
How many 2 year olds have even run at this point?
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good question. id guess by October the 2017 derby winner will of made his debute
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06-14-2016, 10:31 AM
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Nyquist and Exaggerator had both raced already by this time last year!
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06-14-2016, 10:40 AM
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Derby 2017
Beyer 97
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06-14-2016, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PowerUpPaynter
Is it too soon to start to talk Derby 2017? I got post triple crown season depression. lol
Secret House seems like a good 2YO
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Way too early. Plenty of more races still to be run before the 2017 Derby hype begins. the Haskel, Travers, Breeder's Cup, etc.
IMO Derby hype begins too early just like the Presidential election campaigns.
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06-14-2016, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Derby 2017
Beyer 97
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Sad, but very possible.
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06-14-2016, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Derby 2017
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This crop sucks!
First!
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06-14-2016, 09:40 PM
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I've already made my selections for 2017, an exacta box of the top three post time choices.
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06-15-2016, 10:18 AM
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here is a nice looking debut by Recruiting Ready
https://youtu.be/m2sag5VayNY
Although any 2 yo thats decent this time of the year runs out of the screen
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06-15-2016, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by rastajenk
This crop sucks!
First!
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That goes down as the post of the year!
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06-15-2016, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by cj
Nyquist and Exaggerator had both raced already by this time last year!
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Wonder if the accumulation of stress from racing as babies could have something to do with their inability to maintain form throughout or even complete the Triple Crown series.
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06-15-2016, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bobphilo
Wonder if the accumulation of stress from racing as babies could have something to do with their inability to maintain form throughout or even complete the Triple Crown series.
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Every study I've ever seen shows horses that race at two, and the more they race the better, have longer and more successful careers.
Last edited by cj; 06-15-2016 at 01:19 PM.
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06-18-2016, 05:17 PM
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Every study I've ever seen shows horses that race at two, and the more they race the better, have longer and more successful careers.
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Both the Australian and Jockey Club study make the error of using skewed distributions on ability giving biased results. Industry studies have a tendency to "prove"what is economically to their advantage. As statisticians say, "He who pays you sways you".
Lacking evidence from unbiased studies I will go with the medical knowledge on the effect of excessive stress on immature bones and joints.
There's a reason why Arabians are not allowed to race until, they are 3YOs
http://www.horsefund.org/horse-racin...bies-part4.php
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06-18-2016, 05:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobphilo
Both the Australian and Jockey Club study make the error of using skewed distributions on ability giving biased results. Industry studies have a tendency to "prove"what is economically to their advantage. As statisticians say, "He who pays you sways you".
Lacking evidence from unbiased studies I will go with the medical knowledge on the effect of excessive stress on immature bones and joints.
There's a reason why Arabians are not allowed to race until, they are 3YOs
http://www.horsefund.org/horse-racin...bies-part4.php
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It all depends on the breeding of the horse, who's handling the horse, what surface they are racing on (hard or soft) and how much excursion they have to use to compete early in their career. If you start on one before their bones have closed you will have problems later on. I personally wish they wouldn't start racing until they are three, but we all know that's not going to happen. Too many owners want those 2 year old checks to cover expenses.
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