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Old 06-14-2016, 08:01 AM   #1
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2017 Kentucky Derby

Is it too soon to start to talk Derby 2017? I got post triple crown season depression. lol

Secret House seems like a good 2YO
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Old 06-14-2016, 08:10 AM   #2
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How many 2 year olds have even run at this point?
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:55 AM   #3
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How many 2 year olds have even run at this point?
good question. id guess by October the 2017 derby winner will of made his debute
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Old 06-14-2016, 10:31 AM   #4
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Nyquist and Exaggerator had both raced already by this time last year!
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Old 06-14-2016, 06:59 PM   #6
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Is it too soon to start to talk Derby 2017? I got post triple crown season depression. lol

Secret House seems like a good 2YO
Way too early. Plenty of more races still to be run before the 2017 Derby hype begins. the Haskel, Travers, Breeder's Cup, etc.
IMO Derby hype begins too early just like the Presidential election campaigns.
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Old 06-14-2016, 08:27 PM   #7
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Sad, but very possible.
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:13 PM   #8
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Derby 2017

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This crop sucks!



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I've already made my selections for 2017, an exacta box of the top three post time choices.
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:18 AM   #10
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here is a nice looking debut by Recruiting Ready

https://youtu.be/m2sag5VayNY


Although any 2 yo thats decent this time of the year runs out of the screen
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This crop sucks!



First!
That goes down as the post of the year!
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:51 AM   #12
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Nyquist and Exaggerator had both raced already by this time last year!
Wonder if the accumulation of stress from racing as babies could have something to do with their inability to maintain form throughout or even complete the Triple Crown series.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:17 PM   #13
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Wonder if the accumulation of stress from racing as babies could have something to do with their inability to maintain form throughout or even complete the Triple Crown series.
Every study I've ever seen shows horses that race at two, and the more they race the better, have longer and more successful careers.

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Every study I've ever seen shows horses that race at two, and the more they race the better, have longer and more successful careers.
Both the Australian and Jockey Club study make the error of using skewed distributions on ability giving biased results. Industry studies have a tendency to "prove"what is economically to their advantage. As statisticians say, "He who pays you sways you".
Lacking evidence from unbiased studies I will go with the medical knowledge on the effect of excessive stress on immature bones and joints.
There's a reason why Arabians are not allowed to race until, they are 3YOs

http://www.horsefund.org/horse-racin...bies-part4.php

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Both the Australian and Jockey Club study make the error of using skewed distributions on ability giving biased results. Industry studies have a tendency to "prove"what is economically to their advantage. As statisticians say, "He who pays you sways you".
Lacking evidence from unbiased studies I will go with the medical knowledge on the effect of excessive stress on immature bones and joints.
There's a reason why Arabians are not allowed to race until, they are 3YOs

http://www.horsefund.org/horse-racin...bies-part4.php
It all depends on the breeding of the horse, who's handling the horse, what surface they are racing on (hard or soft) and how much excursion they have to use to compete early in their career. If you start on one before their bones have closed you will have problems later on. I personally wish they wouldn't start racing until they are three, but we all know that's not going to happen. Too many owners want those 2 year old checks to cover expenses.
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