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08-27-2016, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
139 TimeformUS Speed Figure today for Arrogate.
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Wow. That's the all-time record, right?
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08-27-2016, 07:56 PM
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Arrogate was giant today. However, watch the ride by Bejarano on AF making sure nobody from the outside was going to press Arrogate on the lead. The head on shows Bejarano goes to about the 6 path in the first quarter, tightening up the possible leavers, then made sure #13 Laoban was not going up to press the lead.
AF still comes in 2nd.
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08-27-2016, 07:59 PM
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#33
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Originally Posted by bobphilo
Wow. That's the all-time record, right?
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Yes and no. Ghostzapper had a 141 but that was created using old methods that we adapted to the Timeform scale. Since we have been in business, it is the top figure.
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08-27-2016, 08:00 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Originally Posted by theiman
Arrogate was giant today. However, watch the ride by Bejarano on AF making sure nobody from the outside was going to press Arrogate on the lead. The head on shows Bejarano goes to about the 6 path in the first quarter, tightening up the possible leavers, then made sure #13 Laoban was not going up to press the lead.
AF still comes in 2nd.
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I don't think that was team riding to be honest, just doing what was best for his horse IMO. He knew where the other speed was coming from in Laoban.
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08-27-2016, 08:04 PM
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NoPoints4ME
Join Date: Sep 2013
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Originally Posted by theiman
Arrogate was giant today. However, watch the ride by Bejarano on AF making sure nobody from the outside was going to press Arrogate on the lead. The head on shows Bejarano goes to about the 6 path in the first quarter, tightening up the possible leavers, then made sure #13 Laoban was not going up to press the lead.
AF still comes in 2nd.
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Great ride by Bejarano. I loved that. (6 path early).
Nice having some talented jocks here in NY, at least for .000055 % of the year.
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08-27-2016, 08:06 PM
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NoPoints4ME
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Originally Posted by cj
I don't think that was team riding to be honest, just doing what was best for his horse IMO. He knew where the other speed was coming from in Laoban.
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I agree with that too. I don't think he was being a policeman for the 1 BUT if he doesn't go wide, then that invites the 13 or someone else to maybe go on.
He made sure he made the other pin heads think/pause AND we all know what happens when you make these guys think.
Success for the initiator, defeat for the pin heads.
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08-27-2016, 08:46 PM
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NoPoints4ME
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123 BEYER
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08-27-2016, 08:56 PM
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Just Deplorable
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So now the question is: what do you do with him the next time out?
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08-27-2016, 09:00 PM
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PA Derby.
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08-27-2016, 09:04 PM
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NoPoints4ME
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Originally Posted by rastajenk
So now the question is: what do you do with him the next time out?
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Treat him like AP and make sure the competition is taken care of, oops, I mean pick the right spots.
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08-27-2016, 09:17 PM
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Just Deplorable
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No, I meant as a handicapper and bettor. Do you watch him go 1-9 and pass, knowing full well he's not going to duplicate that? Do you take a shot that he'll return to mortality, and thus vulnerability? Just wait til the Classic and see what happens to others in the meantime?
A number like that is nearly a shock to the system, these days anyway. Putting it in its proper perspective might be a challenge.
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08-27-2016, 09:27 PM
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NoPoints4ME
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Originally Posted by rastajenk
No, I meant as a handicapper and bettor. Do you watch him go 1-9 and pass, knowing full well he's not going to duplicate that? Do you take a shot that he'll return to mortality, and thus vulnerability? Just wait til the Classic and see what happens to others in the meantime?
A number like that is nearly a shock to the system, these days anyway. Putting it in its proper perspective might be a challenge.
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It all depends where, vs who, price etc.
We'll see. You never know, he might be retired by 7 am tomorrow morning.
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08-27-2016, 09:41 PM
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GARY
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Florida
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ARROGATE
[QUOTE=theiman]Arrogate was giant today. However, watch the ride by Bejarano on AF making sure nobody from the outside was going to press Arrogate on the lead.
I figured he was waiting for Kent D after their last incident
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08-27-2016, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
Yes and no. Ghostzapper had a 141 but that was created using old methods that we adapted to the Timeform scale. Since we have been in business, it is the top figure.
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For the turf as well, also?
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08-27-2016, 09:54 PM
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Would be neat to see him run at Los Al -- know the purse and prestige are nowhere near the Pennsylvania Derby at Parx or the Goodwood at Santa Anita.
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