Pace was too hot for Nyquist this time

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

My thoughts are the result was fairly formful. this figured to by Exaggerators day and he stepped up. Nyquist ran very respectably though given the circumstances. These two are the class of the bunch so far.

When we start talking about the Belmont, I think it will be ripe for a "new shooter" to take down.

The new kid ? Yep..Happens a lot. I agree. There is going to be some horse come from out of the woodwork to take it down.
BTW, I Would not be in the least bit surprised if Nyquist's connections decide to skip the Belmont....

[rastajenk]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

Around the turn, UL got in front, with Nyquist outside of him, and all the others behind. That's when I think he should've laid off, let the other horse have the lead, and sit just a length behind.

Horses running ding-dong puts a pressure on them that they don't otherwise have when not going eyeball to eyeball with another horse. The horse can't run relaxed under that kind of pressure, and the time doesn't really tell the story.

I don't know about that. I think "relaxed" is a human description, the animals don't know or care about that. It's the jock that controls that kind of thing, and I can't fault Mario for trying to get the distance as quickly as he can, however it occurs.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Grits

Indeed, he did. Congrats to the Desormeaux brothers. I'm happy for them. I'm ok without moving through, waiting, and looking at another Triple Crown CROWD in New York. Really ok.

Are you going?
I am entertaining the idea.
Haven't been to the Belmont in a long time.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

Nyquist was trained very lightly for this race.

Desormeaux said the same thing about Exaggerator after the race. He said the horse was in top form and wasn't going to get any stronger in 2 weeks, so he didn't push him.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

Anyone know the fractions?

1/4 22.38, 1/2 46.56, 3/4 1:11.97, Mile 1:38.19, Fin 1:58.31

[Grits]

Originally Posted by Nitro

I totally disagree! Especially when you let the tote be your guide to $$.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=131165

Nitro, $2. win bettors don't usually come off the cash for $2. exacta boxes, trifecta boxes, superfecta boxes, all with 5 horses each. Are you claiming that you placed and won all of these wagers?

Albeit, of course, you could have placed them for the lesser amounts, eg, .10, .50. 1.00.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by thespaah

Are you going?
I am entertaining the idea.
Haven't been to the Belmont in a long time.

Plan to. Ticket was bought when they went on sale.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Unless all those tickets have been bought up by ticket brokers, then seats for the Belmont have been almost sold out prior to the Preakness...so it's won't be a graveyard...

The seats will go pretty cheap now. At least in my experience with the ticket market.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by pandy

I don't see how you can fault Mario's ride. When you're on a horse that's 8 for 8, won the Derby, won the Breeders Cup, and you have an inside post, you have to commit or you may get in trouble. If you're going to question any ride it would be the ride on Uncle Lino. Uncle Lino ran his heart out. Hopefully he'll be okay and they'll tackle a softer field next time.

Looking at Nyquist's PPS, he does have wins where he did not need the lead.
I think they could have put the horse in a stalking position. The speed horse was not going to steal the race. No way.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by dballard125

I think they will as well...or I hope they do anyway. He has nothing left to prove right now.

Send hiom home. Wait for the summer stakes. Hopefully we'll see him at The Spa

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Grits

Plan to. Ticket was bought when they went on sale.

Ok...If I decide to go and if its ok with you, I will let you know.
Right now, it's just an idea

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by rastajenk

We agree on a lot of things about this game. I think you have a good perspective. But I don't see that a speed duel with an inferior runner is a "ding-dong" affair. I guess I don't see at what point he should have been taken back and let the cheap speed do its thing. I would guess that Mario followed his instructions and his instinct and it simply didn't work out.

Bailey on the telecast thought Mario was trying to slow him on the first turn but wasn't able.

[depalma113]

Originally Posted by thespaah

I have a question....What the HELL was Guitierrez thinking about getting into a speed duel in 46 and change with THAT freakin horse?!!!!!!

On Sirius XM this morning it was reported that Nyquist was going to the lead. The plan was to send him. Uncle Lino's jockey had other ideas.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

Bailey on the telecast thought Mario was trying to slow him on the first turn but wasn't able.

I looked at the video of the race a few times.
For the first half mile, Nyquist is throwing his hid up and down, as opposed to his normally smooth action.
The horse appeared to be on the engine.
But, the rider is the driver. Gotta do what they must to get the horse to relax.

[cj]

Originally Posted by depalma113

On Sirius XM this morning it was reported that Nyquist was going to the lead. The plan was to send him. Uncle Lino's jockey had other ideas.

What a dumb plan...seriously.