What would you have done?

[fmhealth]

Tough beat to say the least! Not certain how I would have handled it.

http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/for...-you-have-done

[Dave Schwartz]

Wow.

Read a few responses. Liked the one about "quit smoking." Funny.

[proximity]

i wouldn't mention anything but i'd certainly linger there for awhile instead of rushing off to another table where i could more conveniently be "forgotten."

how am i supposed to focus on a new game while watching if anyone's coming with my "rightful share" out of the corner of my eye?

it's hard to believe that the whole table would stiff the guy though at any kind of established casino?

one poster mentioned the borgata and if i was ever in this situation i would stiff some of those people there who are away from the table for more hands than they play. otherwise i'd give you basically:

table share/ (#paid +1)

sound fair??

[ManU918]

Originally Posted by proximity

i wouldn't mention anything but i'd certainly linger there for awhile instead of rushing off to another table where i could more conveniently be "forgotten."

how am i supposed to focus on a new game while watching if anyone's coming with my "rightful share" out of the corner of my eye?

it's hard to believe that the whole table would stiff the guy though at any kind of established casino?

one poster mentioned the borgata and if i was ever in this situation i would stiff some of those people there who are away from the table for more hands than they play. otherwise i'd give you basically:

table share/ (#paid +1)

sound fair??

I disagree with you when you say its their rightful share. The only way it would be their rightful share if it were in the rules of the game. As you mentioned players are absent all of the time and nothing is done about it. Smoking, talking with friends at other tables, watching tv, on the phone, eating, gambling on other games, etc. Its annoying because some of us are actually there to play poker. The ones who are playing poker during the time that the BBJ gets hit are those who should benefit. Not those who are there to do everything but play. I do feel bad for the players who are in the bathroom when the BBJ hits. In that case if everyone else agreed I would cut him/her in so he/she would get an equal share. BUT in most cases I wouldn't give shit because in most cases the other players at the table wouldn't give me shit. When a player gets up they are no longer part of the game. That's the reality of the situation. Expecting someone to part ways with in most case would amount to thousands of dollars is absurd. What's next? If the BBJ hits while a player is doing a line off their dashboard am I expected to give him a share too? For us non-smokers do you know how bad it is when someone goes out to smoke then comes back and sits next to you? Its ****ing disgusting. Pretty much bathroom or nothing for me and I have to like the player who went to the bathroom. When I say like I don't mean personally like. I mean someone who has been respectful to the game during the time of play and didn't give me a reason to not cut them in.

So here's a hypothetical...if I hit a jackpot on a slot machine (Don't play slots but this is a WHAT IF situation) and the person who was playing the same machine before me comes over am I supposed to give them a percentage because they went to a different machine which allowed me to hit the jackpot on the machine that they were previously playing? Wouldn't that ultimately be the same?

[davew]

Originally Posted by ManU918

I disagree with you when you say its their rightful share. The only way it would be their rightful share if it were in the rules of the game. As you mentioned players are absent all of the time and nothing is done about it. Smoking, talking with friends at other tables, watching tv, on the phone, eating, gambling on other games, etc. Its annoying because some of us are actually there to play poker. The ones who are playing poker during the time that the BBJ gets hit are those who should benefit. Not those who are there to do everything but play. I do feel bad for the players who are in the bathroom when the BBJ hits. In that case if everyone else agreed I would cut him/her in so he/she would get an equal share. BUT in most cases I wouldn't give shit because in most cases the other players at the table wouldn't give me shit. When a player gets up they are no longer part of the game. That's the reality of the situation. Expecting someone to part ways with in most case would amount to thousands of dollars is absurd. What's next? If the BBJ hits while a player is doing a line off their dashboard am I expected to give him a share too? For us non-smokers do you know how bad it is when someone goes out to smoke then comes back and sits next to you? Its ****ing disgusting. Pretty much bathroom or nothing for me and I have to like the player who went to the bathroom. When I say like I don't mean personally like. I mean someone who has been respectful to the game during the time of play and didn't give me a reason to not cut them in.

So here's a hypothetical...if I hit a jackpot on a slot machine (Don't play slots but this is a WHAT IF situation) and the person who was playing the same machine before me comes over am I supposed to give them a percentage because they went to a different machine which allowed me to hit the jackpot on the machine that they were previously playing? Wouldn't that ultimately be the same?

How would you feel if you had been at that table for 5 hours and miss a couple hands to urinate? (or do you bring your own bottle?)

[Track Collector]

As tough as it would be, I would probably choose to suffer in silence, but stay at the same table because I would already have some reads rather than having to develop new ones at a new table. My worldview is that I have many things to be thankful for, so if I am destined to miss out on a BBJ, there are a lot worse things that can happen in my life! (That said, I admit it would be very tough to look/act 100% happy for everyone else at the table while missing out myself.).

On the flip side, provided that the player who missed was not rude or obnoxious, I would most likely give them something small out of my winnings. (This amount would also likely be smaller than what I would tip the dealer.).

[ManU918]

Originally Posted by davew

How would you feel if you had been at that table for 5 hours and miss a couple hands to urinate? (or do you bring your own bottle?)

If you read my above post, pissing is the one exception I would make. When I'm at a table and the BBJ is absurdly high, deals are usually made for when players have to piss/smoke in case the BBJ is hit while the absent player is MIA.

[Dave Schwartz]

While this would be a haunter for years, I think one just has to accept that sometimes your ship comes in and you're at the airport.

Same thing when you write a pick-3 or pick-4 choosing the wrong single in a race where it was a coin-toss with the eventual winner that triggered a single-ticket take down.

LOL - I am still haunted a little by a $100 bill I dropped out of my pocket in a pool room back in 1975. Someone hollers "Hey, I found a $100!" I look in my pocket and replay my movements - dang, that was mine!

There are just no do-overs and no "making it right."

[dilanesp]

I hardly see what the big deal is. When I was younger I once purchased a scratch off lottery ticket right after a guy who bought 20 of them. Mine was a $100 winner and entered me in a drawing for $3 million. Guy who bought 20 got all pissed off. Why?

And early on in my live poker journey, I got must-moved off a table at Hustler which hit a $40,000 jackpot right after I moved. I didn't care. Why should I? It's basically random.

If you gamble for any length of time, you are going to have some near misses. I'm sure people who play slots leave a machine and then see someone else hit a big payoff all the time. It's built into the variance of the game. If you can't accept random chance, don't gamble.

As for what I would do: take the table change.

[proximity]

Originally Posted by ManU918

I disagree with you when you say its their rightful share. The only way it would be their rightful share if it were in the rules of the game. As you mentioned players are absent all of the time and nothing is done about it. Smoking, talking with friends at other tables, watching tv, on the phone, eating, gambling on other games, etc. Its annoying because some of us are actually there to play poker. The ones who are playing poker during the time that the BBJ gets hit are those who should benefit. Not those who are there to do everything but play. I do feel bad for the players who are in the bathroom when the BBJ hits. In that case if everyone else agreed I would cut him/her in so he/she would get an equal share. BUT in most cases I wouldn't give shit because in most cases the other players at the table wouldn't give me shit. When a player gets up they are no longer part of the game. That's the reality of the situation. Expecting someone to part ways with in most case would amount to thousands of dollars is absurd. What's next? If the BBJ hits while a player is doing a line off their dashboard am I expected to give him a share too? For us non-smokers do you know how bad it is when someone goes out to smoke then comes back and sits next to you? Its ****ing disgusting. Pretty much bathroom or nothing for me and I have to like the player who went to the bathroom. When I say like I don't mean personally like. I mean someone who has been respectful to the game during the time of play and didn't give me a reason to not cut them in.

So here's a hypothetical...if I hit a jackpot on a slot machine (Don't play slots but this is a WHAT IF situation) and the person who was playing the same machine before me comes over am I supposed to give them a percentage because they went to a different machine which allowed me to hit the jackpot on the machine that they were previously playing? Wouldn't that ultimately be the same?

i didn't say it was their rightful share i actually said it was mine ;with rightful share in parentheses.

my equation was a maximum. the longer you're in the game and the higher percentage of hands you're in the game, the closer i'd give you to this maximum.

if someone's in the game for 99% of the hands (like we are) and they get up for a short period of time (bathroom, snack, whatever...) sure by the rules they're not entitled to the bad beat they caused. but they did cause it and are just losing out on a technicality.

i find it hard to believe players at parx or borg wouldn't give you a share?

[proximity]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

I hardly see what the big deal is. .

when you're a successful lawyer playing 100-200 at a world class level..... sure.

for joe grinder playing 1-2 though?

[TJDave]

If you're not in the hand that's it. What's so difficult to understand?

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by TJDave

If you're not in the hand that's it. What's so difficult to understand?

In many casinos, it isn't that simple.

[Stillriledup]

Love how the thread turned into a 'quit smoking' sermon

[Donttellmeshowme]

So did he get his share or not?