Derby Future Pool 1

[PowerUpPaynter]

Good Day,

Lets talk some future pool. What you think Nyquist will open at?

here are a few predictions

Field 3/5
Nyquist 12/1
Moheyman 15/1
Swipe 20/1
Greenpointcrusader 30/1
Brody's Cause 30/1
Exaggerator 30/1
Cocked And Loaded 35/1
Mor Spirit 40/1
Sail Ahoy 40/1
Amis Gizmo 50/1
Gift Box 50/1
Unbridled Outlaw 50/1
Whitmore 50/1

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by PowerUpPaynter

Good Day,

Lets talk some future pool. What you think Nyquist will open at?

here are a few predictions

Field 3/5
Nyquist 99/1
Moheyman 15/1
Swipe 20/1
Greenpointcrusader 30/1
Brody's Cause 30/1
Exaggerator 12/1
Cocked And Loaded 35/1
Mor Spirit 4/1
Sail Ahoy 40/1
Amis Gizmo 50/1
Gift Box 50/1
Unbridled Outlaw 50/1
Whitmore 50/1

FTFY lol

[Spalding No!]

Why is Nyquist so well hated?

I understand he looked like he was getting worse with distance visually and Beyer wise, mostly based on his Frontrunner performance, but didn't he go a long way in erasing that perception by winning the BC to stay unbeaten?

In retrospect, the Frontrunner was not too bad. He was sent up between horses going into the first turn and was knocked about a bit by Go Long. He was challenged briefly by Swipe midstretch, but was pulling away at the wire. It was several lengths back to the 3rd place finisher, the very well bred Hollywood Don, who made a strong bid on the far turn. Swipe came back to run 2nd in the BC (as he has done all year), so the quality of horses he was beating in CA clearly translated to the national stage.

Meanwhile, Songbird has been running faster, but she is not certain to head down the Derby path or handle males. Pedigree is solid towards a middle distance, which hasn't been a problem in recent classics.

[PowerUpPaynter]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

FTFY lol

FTFY? thats a new one to me. i have no idea what that means mate

[PowerUpPaynter]

Originally Posted by Spalding No!

Why is Nyquist so well hated?

I understand he looked like he was getting worse with distance visually and Beyer wise, mostly based on his Frontrunner performance, but didn't he go a long way in erasing that perception by winning the BC to stay unbeaten?

In retrospect, the Frontrunner was not too bad. He was sent up between horses going into the first turn and was knocked about a bit by Go Long. He was challenged briefly by Swipe midstretch, but was pulling away at the wire. It was several lengths back to the 3rd place finisher, the very well bred Hollywood Don, who made a strong bid on the far turn. Swipe came back to run 2nd in the BC (as he has done all year), so the quality of horses he was beating in CA clearly translated to the national stage.

Meanwhile, Songbird has been running faster, but she is not certain to head down the Derby path or handle males. Pedigree is solid towards a middle distance, which hasn't been a problem in recent classics.

Songbird they said ill not target the derby and Nyquist they say will only race twice til b4 derby if he wins both of those he is sure to be the derby favorite

[davew]

Originally Posted by Spalding No!

Why is Nyquist so well hated?

good horses from CA are always hated if you live East of the Mississippi, until they can prove they are good on the east...

[Spalding No!]

Originally Posted by davew

good horses from CA are always hated if you live East of the Mississippi, until they can prove they are good on the east...

I think it's a little more specific in this case then a presumed East coast bias.

Sort of like Fly So Free in 1991, when he was running the table all winter, yet was never taken seriously as far as the Derby was concerned.

Of course, he could only manage 5th at Churchill, so maybe I shouldn't give my hopes up.

[tanner12oz]

This is the 3rd early pool...year 1 only 1 horse from poll one made it to the gate..however last year I want to say more the half the field made it to the gate with AP being a choice in pool one winning. Very small sample size thus far but just letting yall know...personally I'll be throwing at least a couple bucks on swipe

[Tall One]

Originally Posted by PowerUpPaynter

FTFY? thats a new one to me. i have no idea what that means mate

FTFY--Fixed That For You

[PowerUpPaynter]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

This is the 3rd early pool...year 1 only 1 horse from poll one made it to the gate..however last year I want to say more the half the field made it to the gate with AP being a choice in pool one winning. Very small sample size thus far but just letting yall know...personally I'll be throwing at least a couple bucks on swipe

I like Swipe too. I wonder if they will both be pointed toward the California prep season.


And likewise I always find it interesting where these contenders will spend the winter. i.e. California, Florida, NY, Louisiana, ect

The horses prepping in Florida past few years have done nothing. and teh NY prep circuit hasnt produced much recently. Although Frosted had a good campaign.

[Spalding No!]

Originally Posted by PowerUpPaynter

The horses prepping in Florida past few years have done nothing.

In the last 8 years, Florida has produced 3 Kentucky Derby winners (Barbaro, Big Brown, Orb), a Preakness winner (Shackleford), and a Belmont winner (Union Rags).

[Tall One]

Originally Posted by PowerUpPaynter

The horses prepping in Florida past few years have done nothing. and teh NY prep circuit hasnt produced much recently. Although Frosted had a good campaign.

Frosted started down the Derby trail in Miami, but finished in NY. He shipped north after the troubles in the FoY.

[tanner12oz]

Originally Posted by Spalding No!

In the last 8 years, Florida has produced 3 Kentucky Derby winners (Barbaro, Big Brown, Orb), a Preakness winner (Shackleford), and a Belmont winner (Union Rags).

keeneland poly kinda screwed things up for a couple years with horses avoiding the KY path

[Spalding No!]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

keeneland poly kinda screwed things up for a couple years with horses avoiding the KY path

Nevertheless, 2 Derby winners (Street Sense, Animal Kingdom) prepped there as well as Belmont winner Palace Malice and classic-placed Dullahan and Hard Spun.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Spalding No!

Why is Nyquist so well hated?

I understand he looked like he was getting worse with distance visually and Beyer wise, mostly based on his Frontrunner performance, but didn't he go a long way in erasing that perception by winning the BC to stay unbeaten?

In retrospect, the Frontrunner was not too bad. He was sent up between horses going into the first turn and was knocked about a bit by Go Long. He was challenged briefly by Swipe midstretch, but was pulling away at the wire. It was several lengths back to the 3rd place finisher, the very well bred Hollywood Don, who made a strong bid on the far turn. Swipe came back to run 2nd in the BC (as he has done all year), so the quality of horses he was beating in CA clearly translated to the national stage.

Meanwhile, Songbird has been running faster, but she is not certain to head down the Derby path or handle males. Pedigree is solid towards a middle distance, which hasn't been a problem in recent classics.

He's not hated, this is a who's going to win the derby thread, he's not winning any ky derbies, it's not personal towards the horse, he's just not a derby horse, he's winning now due to just developing faster than a lot of horses, the good ones will catch up to him in due time.