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08-12-2015, 08:50 PM
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NoPoints4ME
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
This is true...but how many times should a horse beat the best horses in the game in order to avoid having his career described as "sheltered"? If American Pharoah wins the BC Classic...will it really matter if he didn't run against his elders more than once? Won't beating the best horses in the game once say enough about his quality...and his "legacy" in the game?
I am reminded of the criticism that Zenyatta faced for the "sheltered campaign" that she raced through. "The mare should have run against the males more"...the "experts" said. Nevermind that she put up heroic efforts in two BC Classics...an unheard of phenomenon for a mare.
Sometimes we ask too much of these horses...
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If he dominates in his 1 run against older, it eliminates many doubters.
If he wins all out desperately in an easy trip, in my opinion, he should've ran against older more than once as it would eliminate the doubters.
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08-12-2015, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NY BRED
LET'S SEE, MR. Z. SAYS READY TO GO, BAFFERT STATES 'NOT SO FAST"
AP SHIPPED BACK TO CA, AND NOW HE RETURNS TO THE SPA?
INMHO, IF THIS CREW EXPECTED TO RUN AT THE SPA, THEY WOULD HAVE
STAYED IN NJ, BE SHIPPING NOW TO THE SPA TO BREEZE AP
AND SCHOOL HIM IN THE PADDOCK,ETC..
I SOMEHOW FEEL THE DELAY INVOLVES A DEMAND OF A BUMP IN THE
PURSE WHICH I BELIEVE NYRA WOULD DECLINE,
THEREFORE, IF AP ISN'T ENTERED, THE 50K ATTENDANCE CAP
ON AUGUST 29TH IS REALISTIC.
HOPING FOR CLOSURE ON THIS MATTER THIS WEEK..
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http://www.troyrecord.com/sports/201...-pharoah-races
The purse bump was announced on Aug 1st
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08-12-2015, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Spiderman
BC Classic is at Keeneland. Best scenario is to run prep at Keeneland and stay there for Classic.
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Just looked at Keeneland's Stakes Condition book for the 2015 fall meet.
There are no available stakes races on dirt for 3yo and up
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08-12-2015, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by thespaah
Just looked at Keeneland's Stakes Condition book for the 2015 fall meet.
There are no available stakes races on dirt for 3yo and up
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Keeneland could write a race for AP. If not, there is a graded stake at Santa Anita, end of September. Mucho Macho Man used that race as prep for BC Classic bid, about 2-years ago.
Last edited by Spiderman; 08-12-2015 at 11:30 PM.
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08-13-2015, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by thespaah
Just looked at Keeneland's Stakes Condition book for the 2015 fall meet.
There are no available stakes races on dirt for 3yo and up
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Given they are hosting the BC, that's really dumb, by the way.
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08-13-2015, 06:25 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Given they are hosting the BC, that's really dumb, by the way.
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Don't think they have ever had one. Isn't the Fayette usually run the same weekend as the BC?
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08-13-2015, 06:49 PM
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GARY
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ODDS FOR AP IN TRAVERS
I ALREADY RSPONDED TO THIS THOUGHT, THOUGHT EARLY ON THAT
2,000,000 PLUSE EXPENSES MIGHT SEAL THE DEAL.
THAT SAID, IF THE PURSE SIZE IS IRRELEVANT, WHY NOT
JUST SAY WE ARE STAYING HOME.
NO DISGRACE IN DECLINING THE TRAVERS, AND BTW, I'M HOPING THAT
WILL BE THE DECISION.
THIS AMAZING HORSE HAS ALREADY PROVEN HE IS BEYOND SPECIAL
WITH HIS WINNING STREAK COMPILED AT DIFFERENT RACKS,SURFACES AND CONFIGURATION.
NO REASON TO COMPETE IN THE SPA WHEN THE BC SHOULD BE THE
MAIN TARGET.
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08-13-2015, 08:54 PM
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Over/Under?
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Like the Haskell.......2.20 2.10 2.10
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08-13-2015, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Given they are hosting the BC, that's really dumb, by the way.
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HUH?.....I was answering a question from another poster...Is there a problem here?
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08-13-2015, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Spiderman
Keeneland could write a race for AP. If not, there is a graded stake at Santa Anita, end of September. Mucho Macho Man used that race as prep for BC Classic bid, about 2-years ago.
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Sure.. But for how much? Is the track Sec'y going to write an overnight stake for half a million bucks?
I don't see Baffert or Zayat risking the Colt's well being for a relatively small amount of money...
Even though it has been reported that AP "ships well", I cannot see the logic in skipping a premier race like the Travers for something "off the radar"....JMHO....
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08-13-2015, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by thespaah
HUH?.....I was answering a question from another poster...Is there a problem here?
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Not you. Keeneland is really dumb not to have a prep race for the Classic.
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08-13-2015, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Not you. Keeneland is really dumb not to have a prep race for the Classic.
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The Homecoming Classic is run at Churchill the week before Keeneland opens.
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08-14-2015, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Not you. Keeneland is really dumb not to have a prep race for the Classic.
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I don't think Keeneland has ever had a Breeders Cup Classic prep (2 turn 3&up main track), certainly not at the GI level.
The Keeneland Fall Meeting (in terms of GI races) has always been more geared to the distaffers. They have 6 GI races in the first 2 weeks of the meet this fall, and 4 of them (Alcibiades, Spinster, First Lady, & QEII) are restricted to females. Of the other 2, one is restricted to 2yos (Futurity), and the other one (Shadwell Turf Mile) is the only one of the 6 that is open, and that one is targeted at specialists for the distance and surface.
After 30 years of the Breeders Cup, you would think that Keeneland, with their prime Fall meeting, would have worked to cultivate an open main-track race for 3&up at at least 9 furlongs. I just don't get how they haven't done that.
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08-14-2015, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by andtheyreoff
The Homecoming Classic is run at Churchill the week before Keeneland opens.
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Don't you think someone might want a race over the Keeneland track as a prep?
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08-14-2015, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Not you. Keeneland is really dumb not to have a prep race for the Classic.
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They've never had a Classic prep. They can't just create one now. It takes years to get graded status, and no contender is going to bypass the JCGC and other prestigious races for an ungraded race, and if the top horses don't run there, then they can't get graded status.
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