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08-07-2015, 10:18 PM
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GARY
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OVER AND UNDER ODDS OF AP IN TRAVERS
LET'S SEE, MR. Z. SAYS READY TO GO, BAFFERT STATES 'NOT SO FAST"
AP SHIPPED BACK TO CA, AND NOW HE RETURNS TO THE SPA?
INMHO, IF THIS CREW EXPECTED TO RUN AT THE SPA, THEY WOULD HAVE
STAYED IN NJ, BE SHIPPING NOW TO THE SPA TO BREEZE AP
AND SCHOOL HIM IN THE PADDOCK,ETC..
I SOMEHOW FEEL THE DELAY INVOLVES A DEMAND OF A BUMP IN THE
PURSE WHICH I BELIEVE NYRA WOULD DECLINE,
THEREFORE, IF AP ISN'T ENTERED, THE 50K ATTENDANCE CAP
ON AUGUST 29TH IS REALISTIC.
HOPING FOR CLOSURE ON THIS MATTER THIS WEEK..
Last edited by NY BRED; 08-07-2015 at 10:22 PM.
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08-07-2015, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by NY BRED
LET'S SEE, MR. Z. SAYS READY TO GO, BAFFERT STATES 'NOT SO FAST"
AP SHIPPED BACK TO CA, AND NOW HE RETURNS TO THE SPA?
INMHO, IF THIS CREW EXPECTED TO RUN AT THE SPA, THEY WOULD HAVE
STAYED IN NJ, BE SHIPPING NOW TO THE SPA TO BREEZE AP
AND SCHOOL HIM IN THE PADDOCK,ETC..
I SOMEHOW FEEL THE DELAY INVOLVES A DEMAND OF A BUMP IN THE
PURSE WHICH I BELIEVE NYRA WOULD DECLINE,
THEREFORE, IF AP ISN'T ENTERED, THE 50K ATTENDANCE CAP
ON AUGUST 29TH IS REALISTIC.
HOPING FOR CLOSURE ON THIS MATTER THIS WEEK..
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Stated before hopes he races in Travers...but im more convinced now he stays out west.One race for Del Mar fans then BC
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08-07-2015, 10:30 PM
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He'll be 1 to 9 against any field of 3 year olds.
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08-07-2015, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by NY BRED
LET'S SEE, MR. Z. SAYS READY TO GO, BAFFERT STATES 'NOT SO FAST"
AP SHIPPED BACK TO CA, AND NOW HE RETURNS TO THE SPA?
INMHO, IF THIS CREW EXPECTED TO RUN AT THE SPA, THEY WOULD HAVE
STAYED IN NJ, BE SHIPPING NOW TO THE SPA TO BREEZE AP
AND SCHOOL HIM IN THE PADDOCK,ETC..
I SOMEHOW FEEL THE DELAY INVOLVES A DEMAND OF A BUMP IN THE
PURSE WHICH I BELIEVE NYRA WOULD DECLINE,
THEREFORE, IF AP ISN'T ENTERED, THE 50K ATTENDANCE CAP
ON AUGUST 29TH IS REALISTIC.
HOPING FOR CLOSURE ON THIS MATTER THIS WEEK..
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Purse was bumped for AP already, so you're wrong right off the bat.
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08-07-2015, 10:39 PM
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His next race will not be against 3 year olds only. To do that would be considered a regression by many based on expectations. I suspect the connection feel similarly.
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08-07-2015, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tucker6
His next race will not be against 3 year olds only. To do that would be considered a regression by many based on expectations. I suspect the connection feel similarly.
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With the triple behind them and the classic so clearly the goal, you think those guys give one HOOT about what's "expected" along the way????????????
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08-07-2015, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mountainman
With the triple behind them and the classic so clearly the goal, you think those guys give one HOOT about what's "expected" along the way????????????
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yeah I do Mr 12 question marks. Zayat has his chest puffed out about owning a TC horse. He's not going to tarnish AP's momentum and image by slow playing him until the BCC. There is far less money to be made against the horses he has flogged already than there is against fresh, older horses.
Last edited by tucker6; 08-07-2015 at 11:23 PM.
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08-08-2015, 01:10 AM
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Despite what some think , he's done a lot and he's traveleld.a good deal . He's only three , let him be sound and and healthy , that's the most important factor. if he has lost weight and is a bit fatigued , no need to race him twice this month. I know many will be bummed if he misses the Travers , but he the horse comes first .
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08-08-2015, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tucker6
yeah I do Mr 12 question marks. Zayat has his chest puffed out about owning a TC horse. He's not going to tarnish AP's momentum and image by slow playing him until the BCC. There is far less money to be made against the horses he has flogged already than there is against fresh, older horses.
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How many times has he beaten Texas Red this year?
I'm a California racing fan thru and thru, but the Travers is the place for him. It will be the best field of 3yo he has faced since Derby Day. If he wants to race older (which I don't think they really do) they can do the Awesome Again on home soil before the BC
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08-08-2015, 07:11 AM
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GARY
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Florida
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AP ODDS IN THE TRAVERS
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Originally Posted by castaway01
Purse was bumped for AP already, so you're wrong right off the bat.
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WHAT I MEANT TO SAY, IS I KNOW THE PURSE WAS BUMPED
AS IT WAS IN THE HASKELL;
THAT SAID, WHEN MR Z. STATES HE'S LIKE TO RUN IN THE TRAVERS,
I 'M TAKING THE STATEMENT HE'S TELLING NYRA TO RAISE THE ANTE.
HE OBVIOUSLY HAS THE TB OF THE YEAR, BUT THIS WHOLE
SCENARIO SHOULD HAVE ENDED THE DAY AP WAS SENT TO CA.
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08-08-2015, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by NY BRED
WHAT I MEANT TO SAY, IS I KNOW THE PURSE WAS BUMPED
AS IT WAS IN THE HASKELL;
THAT SAID, WHEN MR Z. STATES HE'S LIKE TO RUN IN THE TRAVERS,
I 'M TAKING THE STATEMENT HE'S TELLING NYRA TO RAISE THE ANTE.
HE OBVIOUSLY HAS THE TB OF THE YEAR, BUT THIS WHOLE
SCENARIO SHOULD HAVE ENDED THE DAY AP WAS SENT TO CA.
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The fact that he was shipped back to CA, isn't unusual. He did the same thing with Bayern last year.
Although I still think it's going to be the PA derby. Baffert's comments about "timing" and his recent statements about PA needing more recoverring time (I'm paraphrasing) indicates to me that he's only going to run one race before the BCC. Besides,
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08-08-2015, 10:03 AM
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Nothing to prove against 3 yr olds he needs to run against older horses once before the Breeders Cup and see where he stands.
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08-08-2015, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Donttellmeshowme
Nothing to prove against 3 yr olds he needs to run against older horses once before the Breeders Cup and see where he stands.
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BC Classic is at Keeneland. Best scenario is to run prep at Keeneland and stay there for Classic.
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08-08-2015, 10:19 AM
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If AP is in the condition and at the fitness level that he just recently displayed, I truly doubt that there is a horse currently on the planet young or old that can run with him. AP is in a league all his own right now and it is indeed an Awesome thing to behold. I believe that it was CJ that mentioned it before. What time could he have actually run at the Haskell if he had just simply ran the rest of the race through the wire? It simply boggles the mind!!!  b
What an incredible horse...
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08-08-2015, 05:33 PM
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GARY
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Originally Posted by Vinnie
If AP is in the condition and at the fitness level that he just
What an incredible horse... |
We are on the same page, what has me p/o'd is the drama
of where is superstar goes next, or if he races again prior
to the Breeders Cup.
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