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06-19-2015, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BELMONT 6-6-09
I understand the business aspects $$$$$, but when you have the BEST, you race in the BEST RACE, the Travers stakes, the oldest race in the country! It is not called the Midsummer Derby for nothing. Just my opinion.
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I totally agree with you. With a Triple Crown winner, you're pretty much obliged to go to the Travers. They'll be ridiculed if they skip it.
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06-19-2015, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pandy
I totally agree with you. With a Triple Crown winner, you're pretty much obliged to go to the Travers. They'll be ridiculed if they skip it.
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Triple crown, Haskell, Travers, BCC wins = best 3 year old campaign ever?
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06-19-2015, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by nads1420
Triple crown, Haskell, Travers, BCC wins = best 3 year old campaign ever?
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Man O War was 11 for 11 but didn't run in the Derby. If AP wins the Travers and the Classic it would certainly put him in elite company.
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06-19-2015, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pandy
Man O War was 11 for 11 but didn't run in the Derby. If AP wins the Travers and the Classic it would certainly put him in elite company.
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another interesting path would be Haskell then JCGC vs CC and older horses then to the Classic. I find the path they choose for him oddly intriguing. If it was me Id take him for a lap around my home state track. That would be kinda cool. Thats why id like to see him run the Haskell... well, that and id like to do a Jersey shore weekend trip this summer and what better weekend then that... 
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06-19-2015, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pandy
Man O War was 11 for 11 but didn't run in the Derby. If AP wins the Travers and the Classic it would certainly put him in elite company.
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Back then the Derby and the TC in general, was not what we know today.. They both were clearly less important targets for a 3yo
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06-19-2015, 02:01 PM
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true but its not 1950 anymore and why wouldnt you race in your home state then go to Travers
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To be fair, you were the one who started the thread about match races and had never heard of Ruffian, so perhaps you're not the only who should be talking about what things were like in 1950....
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06-19-2015, 02:07 PM
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To be fair, you were the one who started the thread about match races and had never heard of Ruffian, so perhaps you're not the only who should be talking about what things were like in 1950....
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that is true luckily im only 35 and still got many years, however i do know enough to know the Travers was a big deal at one point albeit the 1900's were a long time ago and this millennium its kinda been a powder puff race. Man i miss them damn 90's
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06-19-2015, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by nads1420
that is true luckily im only 35 and still got many years, however i do know enough to know the Travers was a big deal at one point albeit the 1900's were a long time ago and this millenium its kinda been a powder puff race.
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Sigh. 
I don't think it's worth it to take you to school...you're sounding more trollish by the moment...
But I'll repeat...the winners of the Travers since 2000-2001 vs. the winners of the Haskell during the same time period are not as divergent in quality as you would make it seem.
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06-19-2015, 02:22 PM
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Sigh.
I don't think it's worth it to take you to school...you're sounding more trollish by the moment...
But I'll repeat...the winners of the Travers since 2000-2001 vs. the winners of the Haskell during the same time period are not as divergent in quality as you would make it seem. |
hey man, its all in good fun. just the way i see it. i live in NY but im not partial to NYRA. I dont really have a rooting interest in tracks what so ever. I can see you are pro NYRA which is fine. I just dont see the point in being a fan of this states tracks or that states tracks or whatever. all good
Personally i just want to make it to Del Mar one day that place looks so cool. Kentucky Derby is obviously on the bucket list as well
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06-19-2015, 03:05 PM
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I just don't get the point of beating 3 year olds again.
I vote for Whitney, JCGC, BC Classic.
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06-19-2015, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by nads1420
hey man, its all in good fun. just the way i see it. i live in NY but im not partial to NYRA. I dont really have a rooting interest in tracks what so ever. I can see you are pro NYRA which is fine. I just dont see the point in being a fan of this states tracks or that states tracks or whatever. all good
Personally i just want to make it to Del Mar one day that place looks so cool. Kentucky Derby is obviously on the bucket list as well
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Well, given the list of winners of each race since 2001, why is it you feel the Haskell currently dwarfs the Travers?
From 2001-2014, not counting Point Given since he won both races, I have the Haskell having a ONE RACE LEAD in terms of who had the better horse winning. Perhaps you are going on overall composition of field? I don't have access or the memory for who was in the field for all years...but basing it solely on the winner, the two races are pretty much even this millennium.
So I believe you're wrong in your assessment that the Travers has taken a backseat to the Haskell during this millennium.
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2002 Medaglia d'Oro War Emblem Edge to Haskell (at time of race, but history showed MDO to be better horse)
2003 Ten Most Wanted Peace Rules Edge to Haskell
2004 Birdstone Lion Heart Edge to Travers
2005 Flower Alley Roman Ruler Edge to Travers
2006 Bernardini Bluegrass Cat Edge to Travers
2007 Street Sense Any Given Saturday Edge to Travers
2008 Colonel John Big Brown Edge to Haskell
2009 Summer Bird Rachel Alexandra Edge to Haskell
2010 Afleet Express Lookin at Lucky Edge to Haskell
2011 Stay Thirsty Coil Edge to Travers
2012 Alpha/Gldn Tckt Paynter Edge to Haskell
2013 Will Take Chrg Verrazano Edge to Travers
2014 V.E. Day Bayern Edge to Haskell
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06-19-2015, 03:24 PM
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I to believe that some of those Haskell's were easier fields overall, so even though horse that won was a fine horse, the field was probably not as competitive as the Travers.
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06-19-2015, 03:27 PM
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maybe.... but if you take all those winners and rank them in order i think it would paint a different picture...
on a side note Paynter was a really good horse.... really underrated
and didnt he almost die then come back and win a race or 2... that was a good horse
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06-19-2015, 03:29 PM
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In a post Belmont interview alluded to some to some slight bit of
caution . He said I feel like I want to put him away somewhere wrapped
up in a bubble .
Perhaps it was a moments frenzy but it hints to possibly keeping
things cautious or conservative . I would think he will stay with his age
group and go to the Haskell . Baffert has major success with this track
and Zayat initially wanted this .
I would be surprised if he meets older horses before the BCC .
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06-19-2015, 03:33 PM
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maybe.... but if you take all those winners and rank them in order i think it would paint a different picture...
on a side note Paynter was a really good horse.... really underrated
and didnt he almost die then come back and win a race or 2... that was a good horse
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Paynter's only major win was the Haskell, was it not? He was 4 for 11 lifetime...are you sure he was underrated? He had a nice feel-good story to him in the end, but at the time of the Haskell/Travers that year, I would call that one a tie, although I gave the edge to the Haskell on name recognition alone...but that really came later, after the Travers/Haskell of 2012.
Like I said, this millennium, the two races are tied...the Haskell certainly does NOT have a big edge.
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