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05-19-2015, 01:10 PM
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Just another Facist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Now in Houston
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Churchill sues DRF
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05-19-2015, 02:18 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: GA
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
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Two companies that do not care about the gambler. Let them have at it. Hope they cost each other a fortune.
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05-19-2015, 02:56 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2004
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I'll cheer for anybody over CDI. Go DRF.
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05-19-2015, 05:14 PM
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Just another Facist
Join Date: Mar 2002
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Didn't see the other thread....
Mods: tie em up
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05-19-2015, 11:31 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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Churchill management is clueless. The Derby is a disaster every year in terms of how the fans and the owners are treated. Manage Fairgrounds into the ground. Before that they destroyed Calder. Raised takeout consistently.
Now, they want to discourage horse racing fans from betting on the race by restricting their signal to their ADW. Why encourage new fans to the sport? Continue the boycott - hopefully they will exit the business. They really don't want to be in the business. They just want to pull revenue from the slots.
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05-20-2015, 12:18 AM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
Didn't see the other thread....
Mods: tie em up
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Actually fits better here.
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05-20-2015, 08:11 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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Question....Does DRF Bets have permission to take wagers from any CDI property?...If so, then why is CDI whining here?.Why did CDI not perform due diligence and place restrictions on DRFbets?
This looks like sour grapes to me.
If CDI allows DRFbets users to bet CDI tracks through the DRF platform any other days of the year, but bans them on Oaks and Derby Days and it is in a contract, then DRF has some 'splainin to do....If not, then CDI can go pound sand.
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05-20-2015, 10:44 AM
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Racing Form Detective
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lincoln, Ne but my heart is at Santa Anita
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I believe DRF Bets is a skin of Xpressbet. If Xpressbet had permission to take wagers on the derby, DRF Bets may have thought it did too. CDI might not have the same opinion. It could be a messy situation.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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05-20-2015, 10:55 AM
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Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Virginia
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I root for both to lose as long as TwinSpires remains as a betting option. I got real upset wih Churchill Downs years ago when they would not find a handicapped parking spot for Ron Turcott. The DRF has always turned me off except for the Beyer figs.
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05-20-2015, 04:03 PM
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intus habes, quem poscis
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Brooklyn NY
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Originally Posted by thespaah
Question....Does DRF Bets have permission to take wagers from any CDI property?...If so, then why is CDI whining here?.Why did CDI not perform due diligence and place restrictions on DRFbets?
This looks like sour grapes to me.
If CDI allows DRFbets users to bet CDI tracks through the DRF platform any other days of the year, but bans them on Oaks and Derby Days and it is in a contract, then DRF has some 'splainin to do....If not, then CDI can go pound sand.
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DRFbets does not carry CDI tracks at all. Xpressbet does. On the days in question, the platform said Xpressbet, not DRFbets. Thus, though I am a DRFbets member and use that exclusively these days (wasn't going to bet the Derby because they don't carry Churchill) those two days I assume I was betting through Xpressbet as they are authorized to carry the signal and that is what it said when I logged on.
If CDI says I was betting illegally, do I get my money back then from CDI? They did take it. They can have the crappy P3 I won back.
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05-21-2015, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by OTM Al
DRFbets does not carry CDI tracks at all. Xpressbet does. On the days in question, the platform said Xpressbet, not DRFbets. Thus, though I am a DRFbets member and use that exclusively these days (wasn't going to bet the Derby because they don't carry Churchill) those two days I assume I was betting through Xpressbet as they are authorized to carry the signal and that is what it said when I logged on.
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Someone at Xpressbet had to make the decision to redirect DRF players to it's site so why were they not sued as well. I am no fan of CDI but like evrything CDI does this makes zero sense.
Both DRFBets and Xpressbet will have a lot of explaining to do when the Oregon Racing Commission comes a calling.
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05-22-2015, 01:36 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
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Originally Posted by OTM Al
DRFbets does not carry CDI tracks at all. Xpressbet does. On the days in question, the platform said Xpressbet, not DRFbets. Thus, though I am a DRFbets member and use that exclusively these days (wasn't going to bet the Derby because they don't carry Churchill) those two days I assume I was betting through Xpressbet as they are authorized to carry the signal and that is what it said when I logged on.
If CDI says I was betting illegally, do I get my money back then from CDI? They did take it. They can have the crappy P3 I won back.
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So had you hit a big superfecta and wanted to cash out, who would have paid you, DRF or Xpressbet? Who would have withheld the taxes?
I really don't think it is legal for one company to just assign your account to another for a couple days, but I guess we'll find out.
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05-22-2015, 02:52 PM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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Considering Xpressbet is the back-end for DRFbets, and DRFbets is basically a white label for Xpressbet, if XB was allowed to take bets on CD, and anyone betting on the DRF link was switched to Xpress for CD-only, I don't really see where this suit has a leg to stand on...
Lot of "ifs" up there, but really...DRFbets is essentially XB with a different label, when you get right down to it...so if CD was allowing Xpressbet, and the bets were actually made through Xpressbet, what legs does this lawsuit stand on?
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05-22-2015, 03:25 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Considering Xpressbet is the back-end for DRFbets, and DRFbets is basically a white label for Xpressbet, if XB was allowed to take bets on CD, and anyone betting on the DRF link was switched to Xpress for CD-only, I don't really see where this suit has a leg to stand on...
Lot of "ifs" up there, but really...DRFbets is essentially XB with a different label, when you get right down to it...so if CD was allowing Xpressbet, and the bets were actually made through Xpressbet, what legs does this lawsuit stand on?
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The problem I see is that they did switch the label, which makes it seem like, to me, they know it was an issue.
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05-25-2015, 09:47 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Considering Xpressbet is the back-end for DRFbets, and DRFbets is basically a white label for Xpressbet, if XB was allowed to take bets on CD, and anyone betting on the DRF link was switched to Xpress for CD-only, I don't really see where this suit has a leg to stand on...
Lot of "ifs" up there, but really...DRFbets is essentially XB with a different label, when you get right down to it...so if CD was allowing Xpressbet, and the bets were actually made through Xpressbet, what legs does this lawsuit stand on?
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DRFBets is a white label but they still needed a contract with CDI to accept bets on any of it's tracks which they didn't have, when you sign up with DRFBets you sign up with them not Xpressbet. If it wasn't a big deal why weren't they accepting bets from CDI tracks before Oaks/Derby day.
Numerous states are in the process of changing how so called white label sites operate in their states, the two biggest are Oregon where the majority of ADW's are licensed and New York which will require white labels to be licensed and not just operate under another license.
The cost for a Oregon license isn't cheap, the cost for a New York license is off the charts and I'm sure California which is the most expensive license of any state would be next, when you factor in what it would cost to operate in these states they will quit accepting customers/bets from those states. Another thing is these license fee's are yearly not a one time cost.
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