A streak for the ages broken today

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

OK, but this does not alter the view that horse racing does not need a 1% trainers or crippled horses who cannot run and stay in training simply for the shake of a hobby!

And I say that, if you take the "incompetent" trainers and the underachieving horses out of the game...then we will have four-horse fields...instead of the six-horse fields that we have today.

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

This is a theory that I do not believe as it is not based in any scientific evidence..

Take as an example the products of Frederico Tessio, who was able to create the modern thoroughbred out of a very limited and cheap stock of sires and dams.. The crop of 1917 although it was close to the one tenth of the crop of 2015, produced Man O War, in the same way FT produced Neacho and Ribot from very few matings...

Got news for ya: Freddy boy ain't walkin' through that door. And your vaunted breeding era also produced plenty of 'Hoodwinks' for the big horse to kick around.

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

And I say that, if you take the "incompetent" trainers and the underachieving horses out of the game...then we will have four-horse fields...instead of the six-horse fields that we have today.

Not if you get rid of the second and third level circuits.. Why we need to have so many race tracks running simultaneously? The only one who benefits from it is the low quality professionals and nobody else, all of them are making a living out of the betting dollar, returning to very low quality racing, small pools, high take outs and reliance to casino's for survival..

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by mountainman

Got news for ya: Freddy boy ain't walkin' through that door. And your vaunted breeding era also produced plenty of 'Hoodwinks' for the big horse to kick around.

I don't understand what you are trying to say... I know one thing for sure though, less racing is clearly bad both for racing as a sport and for me as a bettor.. It is good only for those who are making a living working as professionals in Mickey Mouse circuits, where you can destroy the win pool by simply placing a five hundred bet to the third favourite.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by mountainman

You know I love your humanistic approach and direct style. But just for fun, I'll toss in a different perspective here: The hardships some trainers will endure to avoid 9-5 civilian work sometimes astonish me.

"Double M", you made me laugh. Thank you.

I can assure you, that when it comes to the Stock Market, the weaker traders quickly disappear and been replaced by younger and more promising professionals..

And DL, let me assure you of something. I, not only have an understanding of stock market professionals, I've had the same one for decades. And I wouldn't trade him up for some upstart if hell froze over.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

Not if you get rid of the second and third level circuits.. Why we need to have so many race tracks running simultaneously? The only one who benefits from it is the low quality professionals and nobody else, all of them are making a living out of the betting dollar, returning to very low quality racing, small pools, high take outs and reliance to casino's for survival..

For me...the best thing would be two tracks a day, with gigantic mutuel pools. If this were the case, then I would make a better living...and I would also be a better dad to my son. But it isn't going to happen...and, do you know why?

Because the game is run with the horsemen in mind...and players like us are less than an afterthought.

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

For me...the best thing would be two tracks a day, with gigantic mutuel pools. If this were the case, then I would make a better living...and I would also be a better dad to my son. But it isn't going to happen...and, do you know why?

Because the game is run with the horsemen in mind...and players like us are less than an afterthought.

OK, at least now we agree.. The fact that the game is shrinking day in and out and becomes more of a way for the retired to spend their time should ring a bell to those who are running the game and try to apply drastic changes, bringing it up to speed to our era! Two major circuits (East - West), running three times per week, no claiming races, strict ruling and transparency, adequate coverage from the media, big pools, modern betting ways and new betting blood... This is what we need and not 1% trainers and horses who win every other year..

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

OK, at least now we agree.. The fact that the game is shrinking day in and out and becomes more of a way for the retired to spend their time should ring a bell to those who are running the game and try to apply drastic changes, bringing it up to speed to our era! Two major circuits (East - West), running three times per week, no claiming races, strict ruling and transparency, adequate coverage from the media, big pools, modern betting ways and new betting blood... This is what we need and not 1% trainers and horses who win every other year..

Right!

Now...if only we could get someone in a position of authority to listen...

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Right!

Now...if only we could get someone in a position of authority to listen...

Its up to us

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

Its up to us

Now you hit the nail on the head. It's ALWAYS up to us. But we are even more disjointed than the racing industry is...and thus, we become our own worst enemies. When you lack the conviction to stand up and be counted...then, how can you ask to be taken seriously?

[mountainman]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

I don't understand what you are trying to say... I know one thing for sure though, less racing is clearly bad both for racing as a sport and for me as a bettor.. It is good only for those who are making a living working as professionals in Mickey Mouse circuits, where you can destroy the win pool by simply placing a five hundred bet to the third favourite.

Mickey Mouse? Man O' War? Tessio? I need a varsity sweater to debate you.

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by mountainman

Mickey Mouse? Man O' War? Tessio? I need a varsity sweater to debate you.

You do not have to debate me.. I think what I mean is very clear and valid...

[Grits]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

You do not have to debate me.. I think what I mean is very clear and valid...

DL, you take yourself and your opinions so seriously. Honestly speaking, none of us should.

We are here on this earth for such a small speck of time, and life can turn on us in a blink.

We're better when we can take it more lightly. I bet that 1% trainer is happier with her win yesterday than you are, here, today, arguing whether she and others like her should be able to race their horses. <3

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by Grits

I bet that 1% trainer is happier with her win yesterday than you are, here, today, arguing whether she and others like her should be able to race their horses. <3

I am sure she is and I have absolutely no problem with this.. My statements are not personal but are expressing my ideas about what is wrong with the game as it is conducted today and what needs to be done to improve it... Nothing else.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

For me...the best thing would be two tracks a day, with gigantic mutuel pools. If this were the case, then I would make a better living...and I would also be a better dad to my son. But it isn't going to happen...and, do you know why?

Because the game is run with the horsemen in mind...and players like us are less than an afterthought.

Actually, its not run with the horsemen in mind, its run FOR them. Guys like David Jacobson entering 2 horses per race and then deciding the next morning which one he wants to run (or neither) is strictly a game for the horsemen with no regard for the player. Bettors are a necessary evil, this is a horsemen's game, no 2 ways about it.