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Old 03-24-2015, 08:12 PM   #1
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A streak for the ages broken today

No, we're not talking about Frank Passero's 14 in a row at Gulfstream.
The big news is at Parx, where trainer Brenda Wilson broke a five year losing streak during which she sent approximately 150 consecutive losers to post. She won the second race with a 5 year old maiden at odds of 15-1 in a six horse field. Brenda Wilson is the wife of retired jockey Leroy Moyers. In my opinion, the mammoth losing streak was mainly attributable to not upgrading her stock when the slots came to Pennsylvania and Philadelphia Park turning into a racino.

Before the slots, Ms Wilson was a career 6 percent trainer, after slots, 1.4%.

Congratulations are in order for Brenda Wilson, she must feel like Mt Rushmore was lifted off of her shoulders today. Racing can be a cruel game, but today, maybe, not so much as usual.
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Old 03-24-2015, 08:20 PM   #2
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Nice of you to acknowledge her!
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Old 03-24-2015, 08:57 PM   #3
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Just goes to show you that nothing is promised....you have to appreciate those wins, whether you're a bettor, owner, trainer or jock.

Congrats to her!

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Old 03-24-2015, 09:02 PM   #4
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Many. So very many would've walked away, giving up. Powerful woman to stay, to keep doing what she loved, every day. Happy for her.
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Old 03-24-2015, 09:07 PM   #5
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Many. So very many would've walked away, giving up. Powerful woman to stay, to keep doing what she loved, every day. Happy for her.
Horses essentially don't know they won, but they do know if they're loved and taken care of the right way, even if they're slow, so you get up in the morning for them and their welfare if you care enough. We don't know the ins and outs of this woman and her story, but there's no doubt you're right about the passion and desire to keep fighting the good fight despite the lack of wins. This is a great day for small barns, as long as you have hope, that's where it begins and ends.
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Old 03-24-2015, 09:11 PM   #6
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Powerful woman to stay, to keep doing what she loved, every day.

The way you put it, it seems like a very expensive hobby for her

IMHO this kind of horsemen and horsewomen do not belong to the game,,
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Old 03-24-2015, 09:15 PM   #7
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Delta, your poem in the address field reminds me of a similar one I heard a long time ago:

It's easy to grin when your ship comes in
Life's joys never seem to diminish
But the man worthwhile is the one who can smile
After losing a close photo finish

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But he man worthwhile is he one who can smile
After losing a close photo finish
I am definitely do not belong in this group of men
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Old 03-24-2015, 09:29 PM   #9
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The way you put it, it seems like a very expensive hobbit for her
If you're meaning hobby? No, absolutely not. I have no idea how you gleaned this out of my response to ESide's post. Anyone who can lose for 5 years is powerful and determined. I like anyone who doesn't give up. Brenda Wilson included. ..... And they don't belong in the game? Wow.

SRU, I agree with you, 100%
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If you're meaning hobby? No, absolutely not. I have no idea how you gleaned this out of my response to ESide's post. Anyone who can lose for 5 years is powerful and determined. I like anyone who doesn't give up. Brenda Wilson included. ..... And they don't belong in the game? Wow.

SRU, I agree with you, 100%
Please forgive me, but I really cannot understand how anyone can go five years without a win and still not consider horse training an expensive hobby... 1% trainers should better find something else to do, they are bad for all the parties involved (including horses, owners, bettors and anyone else)
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Old 03-24-2015, 09:50 PM   #11
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Anyone who can lose for 5 years is powerful and determined. I like anyone who doesn't give up. Brenda Wilson included. ..... And they don't belong in the game? Wow.
Well... we don't know if she was fighting/struggling or she didn't care. Certainly there have always been low-level trainers that do NOT want to win (but they do want cash SOME checks for maybe coming in third or whatever), they don't want their horses claimed, they don't want to be forced into higher conditions, etc.

They just want their stall space and they basically live there and they get to take care of their "pets". Some of these people own their own horses, others may be effectively fleecing their owners for the day rate (owners who do really want to win some races). I don't know whether that's the case here, making no accusations, but there is an argument to be made that the game isn't well-served by those types of operations. (You could probably make a counter-argument as well.)

I remember we were discussing a while back some rule at Mountaineer about how a horse or trainer (I forget) had to at do such-and-such every X time period (be in-the-money, something like that) or they would lose their stalls. And so when one of these type of operators that wasn't really into winning would run up against losing their space suddenly their horse would run a great race out of the blue when they had been doing nothing but running in a circle without effort since the last time they almost were kicked out.

Any assumptions we make about a losing record and what that person's feelings and motivations are just pure speculation. They could be fighting as hard as they can or they could be purposely tanking. Neither is unlikely. It would look the same from the outside either way, at least without a detailed analysis. (Because patterns such as at Mountaineer are not hard to spot once you know what you are looking for.)
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Old 03-24-2015, 09:58 PM   #12
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Please forgive me, but I really cannot understand how anyone can go five years without a win and still not consider horse training an expensive hobby... 1% trainers should better find something else to do, they are bad for all the parties involved (including horses, owners, bettors and anyone else)
I disagree.

If her horses are well cared for, what does it matter?
Like SRU said, the horses don't know if they have won, or not.

Owners? She very likely owns her own stock, and has had to
withstand the drought herself financially. If not, she has some
very loyal, perhaps naive, patrons who have been on a long ride.
Either way, any owners she might still have could have sent their
horses elsewhere a long time ago.

Bettors? The stats are there for all to see in the PPs.
Ignoring anything a 1% trainer puts out is easy to do.
Field size is increased - everyone is happy.
Except for yourself, apparently.

30% trainers who have their horses juiced to the gills
are killing this sport. Most win those 3 out of 10 races
with horses that go off at 6-5, or less. No good for me,
or for many bettors.

There is still plenty of room for 1% trainers in this game, imo.
They always have a shot of improving things and, if they don't,
necessity will force them into something else.
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Old 03-24-2015, 10:07 PM   #13
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Brenda Wilson is the wife of retired jockey Leroy Moyers.
Wow, a Leroy Moyers reference.

His heyday was in the 1960s.

Last I recall he was suspended an entire year in the 1980s for failure to extend his best effort on a 50-1 shot.
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Old 03-24-2015, 10:10 PM   #14
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A little point of perspective from a Hall-of-Fame trainer's record in 2013:

Jack Van Berg- Trainer of Alysheba

Year-Starts-Wins-2nd-3rd--Earnings
2013- 121--- 1--- 9--- 11-- $140,690
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I'd like to find out the numbers on a guy named William Davis who used to train in Chicago in the 90s. I think there's another William Davis who may be at Mnr or in that area. This was a different guy. It was a miracle when he'd run 4th. His horses were hardly ever below 30-1. Many times well over 100-1.
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