Turfway Park Spiral Stakes 3/21

[SecretAgentMan]

Originally Posted by RXB

There is no such thing as off-synthetic to dirt, because no track has both a synthetic racing surface and a dirt racing surface.

It was off-turf, on synthetic.

It was at Arlington Park his first race......yes, I stated it wrong, it was off turf & on dirt because of the rain. At least I think it was in dirt........the symbol of a circle with an "X" in the middle of it suggests to me it was off turf & on dirt, but I could be wrong.

That was a reason why I bet him in the derby, I saw he handled the dirt well.......then again, if I studied it wrong, it still helped

[SecretAgentMan]

Dubai Sky returned a 92 beyer figure, nothing to write home about, & he was 2 seconds faster than Animal Kingdoms closing time.......AK had received a 94 beyer, hmmm.......

[RXB]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

It was at Arlington Park his first race......yes, I stated it wrong, it was off turf & on dirt because of the rain. At least I think it was in dirt........the symbol of a circle with an "X" in the middle of it suggests to me it was off turf & on dirt, but I could be wrong.

That was a reason why I bet him in the derby, I saw he handled the dirt well.......then again, if I studied it wrong, it still helped

They haven't had a dirt surface at Arlington since 2006. Animal Kingdom's debut was transferred from turf to synthetic.

[SecretAgentMan]

Originally Posted by RXB

They haven't had a dirt surface at Arlington since 2006. Animal Kingdom's debut was transferred from turf to synthetic.

OK, sounds good, I will take your word for it. I stopped playing horses daily in 1998, only played them for 7 years, so i havent followed AP since then........but have played the triple crown races for 25 years, as I think the Kentucky derby in my opinion is the only race yearly where you can make a ton of money with a minimal amount of money invested.

And no, I don't care for the Breeders cup at all, as I find it to be way too unpredictable......

[nijinski]

Originally Posted by Redboard

It's a tough decision. If they kept him on turf/synthetic, what would his schedule be? You might have to run against older horses. I don't believe there's any big turf/synthetic races for 3YrOlds in the next 4 months.
What would be best for the horse?

The gr2 American Turf is on Derby, Oaks undercard . Some from yesterday's
Spiral could end up there .

[SecretAgentMan]

Mott trained his biggest success in Cigar, an unbelievable career for horse & trainer.

In 2010, Mott picked up his first Triple Crown victory with Drosselmeyer's upset of the Belmont Stakes at odds of 13-1. Mott has had only 14 Triple Crown starters: seven in the Kentucky Derby, two in the Preakness and five in the Belmont.

Mott usually receives turf horses because that's his specialty. You need a dirt specialist trainer to win the Kentucky Derby in my opinion. Plus I don't think Dubai Sky is good enough, although I will look at him to possibly put in triples.......waiting to see the other races as well.

[nijinski]

We will see this week whether or not they pay the non nominated entry
fee . There may be a reason they keep him on non dirt surface though . We'll know very soon .

[Grits]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

Mott trained his biggest success in Cigar, an unbelievable career for horse & trainer.

In 2010, Mott picked up his first Triple Crown victory with Drosselmeyer's upset of the Belmont Stakes at odds of 13-1. Mott has had only 14 Triple Crown starters: seven in the Kentucky Derby, two in the Preakness and five in the Belmont.

Mott usually receives turf horses because that's his specialty. You need a dirt specialist trainer to win the Kentucky Derby in my opinion. Plus I don't think Dubai Sky is good enough, although I will look at him to possibly put in triples.......waiting to see the other races as well.

Only turf? A dirt specialist trainer, and Mott is not one?

Does the name Royal Delta ring a bell for you? Along with Royal Delta's name comes Besilu Stable who paid over 8 million for her and kept her in racing as a 4 and 5 year old? Besilu Stable is also the breeder and the owner of Dubai Sky, (TFUS figure, 106) along with partner, Three Chimneys Farm.

Don't believe nomination money to the TC will be a problem for these good folks.

[SecretAgentMan]

Originally Posted by Grits

Only turf? A dirt specialist trainer, and Mott is not one?

Does the name Royal Delta ring a bell for you? Along with Royal Delta's name comes Besilu Stable who paid over 8 million for her and kept her in racing as a 4 and 5 year old? Besilu Stable is also the breeder and the owner of Dubai Sky, (TFUS figure, 106) along with partner, Three Chimneys Farm.

Don't believe nomination money to the TC will be a problem for these good folks.

I just don't think Mott gets many chances with dirt horses......he specializes with turf. Although he's had a few good dirt horses, he seems to stick with turf.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

Mott trained his biggest success in Cigar, an unbelievable career for horse & trainer.

In 2010, Mott picked up his first Triple Crown victory with Drosselmeyer's upset of the Belmont Stakes at odds of 13-1. Mott has had only 14 Triple Crown starters: seven in the Kentucky Derby, two in the Preakness and five in the Belmont.

Mott usually receives turf horses because that's his specialty. You need a dirt specialist trainer to win the Kentucky Derby in my opinion.

You're contradicting yourself there.
Mott has been hugely successful on dirt, as well.

As far as trainers for the KY Derby are concerned, I can't agree.
I don't think Michael Matz and Graham Motion would, either.

Bill Mott not having Derby credentials? Nonsense.
Given the right horse, and a reasonable trip, he could win the Derby.

[SecretAgentMan]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

You're contradicting yourself there.
Mott has been hugely successful on dirt, as well.

As far as trainers for the KY Derby are concerned, I can't agree.
I don't think Michael Matz and Graham Motion would, either.

Bill Mott not having Derby credentials? Nonsense.
Given the right horse, and a reasonable trip, he could win the Derby.

That's my point right there, who's gonna give Mott a 3 year old $1.5 million yearling to train for the derby? Rich owners go to Baffert, Pletcher, etc......I stand by my words that Mott is a turf specialist, & he's had a few horses on dirt that had a lot of success.

I for one would never give an expensive 3 year old to Mott to train for me towards the derby thats a pure dirt runner, not talking turf horses. If I'm an owner with a good turf horse, Mott's the guy I would go to.

[luisbe]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

...

And no, I don't care for the Breeders cup at all, as I find it to be way too unpredictable......

Fascinating, the Kentucky Derby more predictable than BC?
With all 3yo developing?

[menifee]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

That's my point right there, who's gonna give Mott a 3 year old $1.5 million yearling to train for the derby? Rich owners go to Baffert, Pletcher, etc......I stand by my words that Mott is a turf specialist, & he's had a few horses on dirt that had a lot of success.

I for one would never give an expensive 3 year old to Mott to train for me towards the derby thats a pure dirt runner, not talking turf horses. If I'm an owner with a good turf horse, Mott's the guy I would go to.

Mott is not a turf specialist. Look at all the dirt races he's won.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_I._Mott

For three year olds, he's won the Belmont, Blue Grass and sent 7 horses to the Derby.

[Grits]

Here on my laptop I have close up shots I've taken at Saratoga of Mott ponying babies over the Oklahoma. Some of these have exercise riders on board. Some no rider at all, (too early) just Mott with his babies at the end of a lead shank. He'll do this in the a.m. time and again.

This man gets young horses. To believe he doesn't would be a mistake. He just doesn't rush them as some trainers are prone. This is a good thing.

[boys at tosconova]

impressive race by dubai sky. not only was he not content in waiting from a perfect spot w/ an easy leave, he decided to challenge sooner then later, racing wide and then drawing clear.

9 looked like he had some horse in the tank. and while i didn't isolate the 10 yet, it was encouraging to see him race well.