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classhandicapper · 01-17-2015, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RXB

If they installed a synthetic surface on the inner track, they'd almost certainly reduce the fatality rate without having to resort to all of these rules and regulations, some of which are curious to say the least.

The benefits would extend beyond the winter months. When races need to be taken off of the turf in April and November/early December, they'd be able to switch to the synthetic inner instead of the main dirt track-- fewer scratches, more reliable transfer of running form, and safer.

They might even keep some of the turf claimers on the grounds that usually ship to Gulfstream for the winter.

Speaking from a position of ignorance, I suspect making an investment like that at AQU is not a high probability event given there are powerful people outside the industry that would rather see AQU closed and used for more economic purposes.

fasteddied · 01-17-2015, 10:46 AM

Personally I love the quick comeback on horses, if a trainer with any brains bring a horse back in 5-6-7 days its always for one reason, WIN. Either the horse is in superior form or he was ridden badly and had alot in the tank but most of all they are telling you up front that they are ready and raring to go. I have made many a good score on these types and will continue to do so with some handicapping involved of course. I dont like the 14 day rule but I will adjust as always.

RXB · 01-17-2015, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Speaking from a position of ignorance, I suspect making an investment like that at AQU is not a high probability event given there are powerful people outside the industry that would rather see AQU closed and used for more economic purposes.

They've already spent about $15 million within the past year or two to spruce up Aqueduct. Installation of a synthetic surface shouldn't exceed that number. A drop in the bucket compared to winterizing the Belmont Park facilities. And I know that a lot of the horsemen are dead-set against closing Aqueduct. It could take a long time before Aqueduct is finished.

Tom · 01-17-2015, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JustRalph

Who was the trainer?

Who was the vet?

FantasticDan · 01-17-2015, 10:54 AM

NY Times picks up the story

GatetoWire · 01-17-2015, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by taxicab

How about the Elephant in the room.....

https://www.thoroughbredrulings.com/...learsearch=YES

Make sure and read all of those rulings - especially the Chris Englehart one.
Almost all of the recent ones are not med violations.

GatetoWire · 01-17-2015, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Stillriledup

Putting the onus on the humans to "do the right thing" hasn't worked out so well.

As far as breakdowns goes and its relationship with quick turnarounds, maybe this rule is so the trainers who play rentahorse won't "use up" horses and manage them improperly because they know they won't own them a week or a month from that day's race.

What if a trainer decided to run a horse 4 times in 21 days and then on the 22nd day the horse got a rest until the 42nd day and THEN broke down after a "20 day" layoff.....would you exclude a horse like this in the stats of horses who broke down because they were raced back too quick? Technically, you can exclude it....but the horse being raced a lot in a short span probably contributed to that horse's demise.

If this 14 day rule is the stupidest thing you have ever heard, you need to read more of my posts.

These new rules will do nothing to curb breakdowns. It's all PR.
NYRA can't be responsible for every horse running.
The trainer, vets and owners are the ones responsible. The trainer is the one in the stall everyday.
Tell me how any of these new rules will prevent a patched up horse from going to the gate?

classhandicapper · 01-17-2015, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RXB

They've already spent about $15 million within the past year or two to spruce up Aqueduct. Installation of a synthetic surface shouldn't exceed that number. A drop in the bucket compared to winterizing the Belmont Park facilities. And I know that a lot of the horsemen are dead-set against closing Aqueduct. It could take a long time before Aqueduct is finished.

I don't doubt virtually everyone at NYRA and all the horsemen, owners etc... are against closing AQU. I'm not sure there's an equal desire to spend another 15m (or whatever the number is) to install a synthetic track. I've seen it mentioned. Maybe someone inside knows better. That would go double unless there are final plans for AQU that I haven't seen. I have no problem with the idea. I'm just a horseplayer. I have no vested interest beyond gambling and a love for the animals. Whatever they conclude is best is fine by me.

SansuiSC · 01-17-2015, 11:14 AM

First thing to come to my mind.....BEFORE reading article, just saw 14 days

His handlers had hoped the horse would run in the 1982 Kentucky Derby but he was kept out by a leg injury that wasn't healing to the point where his trainer was satisfied it would be completely safe. In the much easier Preakness Prep, the horse won, but still his trainer skipped the Preakness Stakes to bring him along on an easier route.

Entered in the Grade I Metropolitan Handicap, Conquistador Cielo set a track-record while winning by 71⁄4 lengths against older horses, breaking Stop The Music's record set in 1973. Trainer Woody Stephens then surprised fans and racing insiders with the announcement that the horse was fit enough to race again six days later in the Belmont Stakes, the final leg of the U.S. Triple Crown races.

In the 1982 Belmont Stakes, Conquistador Cielo defeated the opposition, beating Kentucky Derby champion Gato Del Sol by 14 lengths.

Tom · 01-17-2015, 11:19 AM

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3) NYRA will raise the bottom level for claimers from $12,500 to $16,000, effective Jan. 22.

Nice move. $12,500 horse will now race for $16,000.
Those same $12,000 horses that used to run for $7,500.

Sounds like this problem is solved!

I have a rule for winter racing - make no bets on any track where you can't see palm trees in the replays. It has worked for years.

Robert Goren · 01-17-2015, 11:23 AM

I was told by a trainer that running a horse who ran on Lasix back in less three weeks (give or take a day or two) is pure folly. Before Lasix horses used to run all time on 6 or 7 days rest. Not so anymore.
Aqu faces two problems. The track surface is bad. It has to be this time of year. You are going to have frozen spots no matter what you do until the frost comes out the ground in march. You can not fool Mother Nature. The horses are bad. NYRA attracts good horses and then they run there until they can't. The good horse go south for the winter, the bad ones stay because of costs. Raising the claiming prices isn't going solve anything. The same horses will be racing.
That said, the AQU inner is my favorite meet of the year. I just wished they would find an extra 2 or 3 starters a race. I am sure at some point AQU will close. Keeping it open for racing just does not make sense on so many levels. A NYRA winter meet (even at Bel) may have go away because the race horse shortage. Something has give with cheap horses running in the winter. There are just too many tracks chasing the same horses.

chadk66 · 01-17-2015, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cj

I can see it off of "bad" performances, but not good ones. We just need to determine what is a "bad" performance. Certainly not just being beaten 25 lengths.

Question for Chad, what horse can't work in 53 seconds for a half mile, even if sore?

pending on the track, 99% with just three legs. so it's a dumb ass rule

chadk66 · 01-17-2015, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by aaron

Curious,exactly how many horses have come back in 14 day's or less and how did they do ?

I used to have a mare I ran every 12-14 days because you couldn't train her in the morning. She rarely missed the board and raced for many years. never a lame day in her life. This is random feel good nonsense by the NYRA

Tom · 01-17-2015, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chadk66

pending on the track, 99% with just three legs. so it's a dumb ass rule

Beaten by 25, then follow up with one of the bottom 1% slowest works.
Yup, he's sound.

chadk66 · 01-17-2015, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Goren

I was told by a trainer that running a horse who ran on Lasix back in less three weeks (give or take a day or two) is pure folly. Before Lasix horses used to run all time on 6 or 7 days rest. Not so anymore.
Aqu faces two problems. The track surface is bad. It has to be this time of year. You are going to have frozen spots no matter what you do until the frost comes out the ground in march. You can not fool Mother Nature. The horses are bad. NYRA attracts good horses and then they run there until they can't. The good horse go south for the winter, the bad ones stay because of costs. Raising the claiming prices isn't going solve anything. The same horses will be racing.
That said, the AQU inner is my favorite meet of the year. I just wished they would find an extra 2 or 3 starters a race. I am sure at some point AQU will close. Keeping it open for racing just does not make sense on so many levels. A NYRA winter meet (even at Bel) may have go away because the race horse shortage. Something has give with cheap horses running in the winter. There are just too many tracks chasing the same horses.

that trainer isn't very smart to make generalizations like that. no two horses are the same. I'll use the same example I used right above. Had a lasix mare that ran every 12-14 days for years and rarely missed the board. Taking blanket approaches to things like this is assinine at best.